27/11/2025
You can’t lead with love if you don’t give that love to yourself first.
A huge thank you to Mel Baker for inviting me onto her LIVING Reflections podcast. Mel has a gift for creating a space where real, honest conversations about leadership and humanity can unfold, and I’m grateful to share my journey with her audience.
When Mel asked me what lead with love truly means, it brought me back to something I’ve learned the hard way:
As leaders, we want to help our teams become the best version of themselves.
But the real work?
It starts with becoming the best version of ourselves.
I’m still on that journey, evolving, unlearning, strengthening. Leadership isn’t something I’ve mastered; it’s something I’m becoming, day by day.
And when we talk about love in leadership, it’s not the soft, sentimental kind.
It’s an energy. A practice.
A way of meeting yourself fully so you can show up fully for others.
Love has layers:
• Respect, for your boundaries, your capacity, your truth.
• Patience, for your growth, mistakes, and momentum.
• Compassion, especially when you’re hard on yourself.
• Space, to feel, to process, to realign.
I spent years giving everything to everyone else, pouring out, supporting, showing up, until I felt drained and empty.
Not because I didn’t care…
but because I hadn’t given myself the same love I was trying to give away.
And that’s the real lesson:
You cannot lead with love if you don’t first lead yourself with love.
This is what conscious leadership looks like, building teams, businesses, and cultures from a place of inner fullness, not depletion.
👇 Want to hear the full conversation on the LIVING Reflections podcast? Listen here:
https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/dr-mel-baker/episodes/A-Moment-with-Joanna-Zhang-Becoming-a-Leader-e39oook/a-ac7hnog
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