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New Episode!Benchmarking Legal AI: Measuring the Delta Between Man and Machine (Anna Guo Legalbenchmarks.ai)Is artificia...
23/10/2025

New Episode!

Benchmarking Legal AI: Measuring the Delta Between Man and Machine (Anna Guo Legalbenchmarks.ai)

Is artificial intelligence custom-made for legal tasks better than general AI tools like Google Gemini and ChatGPT? That is the topic of this episode featuring Legalbenchmarks.ai Founder Anna Guo . Anna is a former BigLaw lawyer who left the practice to become an entrepreneur and now focuses her energies on quantifying the utility of AI in the legal industry. Anna's initial anecdotal research for colleagues quickly revealed a strong community interest in a systematic approach to evaluating legal AI tools. This led to the creation of Legalbenchmarks.AI, dedicated to finding out where the promise of humans plus AI is truly better than humans alone or AI alone.

The core of the research involves measuring the "delta," or the extent to which AI can elevate human performance. To date, Legalbenchmarks.ai conducted two major studies: one on information extraction from legal sources and a second on contract review and redlining .

Key Findings from the Studies: Accuracy vs. Qualitative Usefulness: The highest-performing general-purpose AI tools (like Gemini) were often found to be more accurate and consistent. However, the legal-specific AI tools often received higher marks in qualitative usefulness and helpfulness, as they align more closely with existing legal workflows.

Methodology: The testing goes beyond simple accuracy. It includes a three-part assessment: Reliability (objective accuracy and legal adequacy), Usability (qualitative metrics like helpfulness and coherence for tasks such as brainstorming), and Platform Workflow Support (integration, citation checks, and other features).

Human-AI Performance: In the contract analysis study, AI tools matched or exceeded the human baseline for reliability in producing first drafts. Crucially, the data demonstrated that the common belief that "human plus AI will always outperform AI alone" was false; the top-performing AI tool alone still had a higher accuracy rate than the human-plus-AI combo.

Risk Analysis: A significant finding was that legal AI tools were better at flagging material risks, such as compliance or unenforceability issues in high-risk scenarios, that human lawyers missed entirely. This suggests AI can act as a crucial safety net.

Strengths Comparison: AI excels at brainstorming, challenging human bias, and performing mass-scale routine tasks (e.g., mass contract review for simple terms). Humans retain a significant edge in ingesting nuanced context and making commercially reasonable decisions that AI's instruction-following can sometimes lack.

Discussion Highlights: [0:00] – Introduction and background of Anna Guo and Legal Benchmarks AI.

[4:30] – The impetus for starting systematic AI benchmarking.

[6:00] – Explaining the concept of measuring the "delta" in performance.

[9:00] – Detailed breakdown of the three-part AI assessment methodology.

[15:00] – Discussion of the contrasting results: general LLM accuracy vs. legal AI qualitative value.

[19:00] – Results on AI performance matching human reliability in contract drafting.

[21:00] – Debunking the myth about Human + AI always outperforming AI alone.

[23:00] – The finding that legal AI excels at surface material risks that lawyers miss.

[27:00] – A SWOT analysis of when to use humans and when to use AI.

[30:00] – Future roadmap for Legal Benchmarks AI research.

Listen here: http://sites.libsyn.com/110134/benchmarking-legal-ai-measuring-the-delta-between-man-and-machine

Are legal AI tools actually better than general-purpose AI like ChatGPT?Tomorrow on the podcast, we’re joined by Anna Gu...
22/10/2025

Are legal AI tools actually better than general-purpose AI like ChatGPT?

Tomorrow on the podcast, we’re joined by Anna Guo, founder of https://hubs.la/Q03PGbDB0 . After a career in Big Law and building a successful B2B startup, Anna is now leading efforts to independently test how AI really performs in legal use cases. No vendor demos. No buzzwords. Just rigorous benchmarking to see what works—and what doesn’t.

In this episode, we dive into:
🔹 Why https://hubs.la/Q03PGflZ0 was created and how it runs its tests
🔹 What legal-specific AI tools actually do better—and where they fall short
🔹 Surprising results comparing AI Legal Tools to general-purpose AI like ChatGPT and Gemini
🔹 Why measuring the “delta” between human performance and AI-augmented output matters

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17/10/2025

What if we’ve been explaining crypto all wrong?

In this week’s episode, Justin Wales, Head of Legal for the Americas at https://hubs.la/Q03P5stT0 and author of The Crypto Legal Handbook, breaks down what he believes is the core innovation of crypto—and why it’s been misunderstood by the public.

🎧 In the clip: Justin explains that crypto’s breakthrough isn’t just about finance—it’s about creating digital rarity for the first time, without needing a central authority to confirm it. That simple idea, he argues, could underpin an entire new generation of innovation.

▶️ Watch the clip, then check out the full episode to hear:
🔹 How Justin went from constitutional law to trailblazing crypto attorney
🔹 What makes a great in-house lawyer in a fast-moving field
🔹 The key difference between centralized and decentralized finance
🔹 Why crypto’s infrastructure may one day power AI and the Internet of Things

Listen to the full conversation: https://hubs.la/Q03P5w2d0

New Episode!Want to be a Crypto Lawyer? Rule  # 1: Use the Technology. Rule  #2: Beware of Hyper-Specialization (Justin ...
09/10/2025

New Episode!

Want to be a Crypto Lawyer? Rule # 1: Use the Technology. Rule #2: Beware of Hyper-Specialization (Justin Wales-Head of Legal, Crypto.com & Author of Crypto Legal Handbook)

Justin Wales , Head of Legal for the Americas at Crypto.com, and author of The Crypto Legal Handbook visits the show to provide his unique perspective on pivoting from a career in Constitutional Law, including work on high-profile appellate cases like the Obergefell gay marriage decision, to becoming a trailblazer in crypto law and blockchain technology.

He shares his serendipitous journey stemming from a law school article that launched his legal career and his subsequent deep dive into crypto, sparked by WikiLeaks accepting Bitcoin donations.

The discussion covers the evolution of his practice to one of the first successful crypto legal groups at a large law firm. Justin emphasizes the necessity for any lawyer in the space to use the technology and become a generalist to navigate the multi-jurisdictional and rapidly evolving industry.

Finally, the conversation touches on the critical distinction between centralized finance (CeFi) and decentralized finance (DeFi), and his outlook that crypto's infrastructure will ultimately serve as the underpinning for future advancements like Artificial Intelligence (AI) and the Internet of Things (IoT).

Episode Highlights:

* Justin's start in Constitutional Law, beginning with a law school paper on unconscionable cruise ship employment contracts that led to Supreme Court brief writing.

* The shift to crypto law: WikiLeaks and Bitcoin's role in it introduced Justin to blockchain technology.

* Building a pioneering crypto legal practice at a large firm in the early days (2013-2015).

* Why the best in-house lawyers, especially in a cutting-edge field like crypto, need to be generalists, not hyper-specialized.

* The inspiration and philosophy behind writing The Crypto Legal Handbook—creating an affordable, regularly updated, and candid resource for students and practitioners.

* Advice for aspiring crypto lawyers today: the field is more mature and requires blending traditional financial regulatory expertise with an industry-wide approach.

* The fundamental distinction between Centralized Finance (CeFi) and the legally complex, more innovative world of Decentralized Finance (DeFi).

* Rule #1 for Crypto Lawyers: Why you must use the technology and the risks of lawyers who are frozen in time with their technical understanding.

* High-level overview of US policy efforts to regulate crypto, including the GENIUS Act (Stablecoins) and the Clarity Act (Securities vs. Commodities regulation).

* Justin's crystal ball: The long-term view that crypto infrastructure will eventually become an unseen layer beneath the rise of AI agents and IoT.

Things We Talk About in this Episode

* Book: The Crypto Legal Handbook by Justin Wales

* Book: Read Write Own by Chris Dixon

* JustinWales.com (for more information on the book and author)

Listen here: http://sites.libsyn.com/110134/want-to-be-a-crypto-lawyer-rule-1-use-the-technology-rule-2-beware-of-hyper-specialization-justin-wales-head-of-legal-cryptocom-author-of-crypto-legal-handbook

How does a Supreme Court case lead to a career in crypto law?Tomorrow on the podcast, we’re joined by Justin Wales, Head...
08/10/2025

How does a Supreme Court case lead to a career in crypto law?

Tomorrow on the podcast, we’re joined by Justin Wales, Head of Legal for the Americas at https://hubs.la/Q03MJN4N0. Justin started his career in constitutional law, contributed to major civil rights cases, and then pivoted to crypto when a law school curiosity turned into a full-on career in Web3. Today, he's compiling the rules—literally—as the author of The Crypto Legal Handbook.

In this episode, we explore:
🔹 How a law school paper landed Justin in front of the Supreme Court
🔹 Why using crypto is essential if you want to work in crypto law
🔹 The key differences between centralized and decentralized finance
🔹 Why the real future of crypto isn’t about trading—it’s about AI

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06/10/2025

Is law school the right thing for you?

In this week’s episode, Avaneesh Marwaha, CEO of Litera, shares his candid advice for the next generation of lawyers—and it’s not the same as it was twenty years ago.

🎧 In the clip: Avaneesh explains why law school is no longer a “figure it out later” degree, and why students need to know their direction before stepping into the classroom.

▶️ Watch the clip, then check out the full episode to hear:
🔹 How Avaneesh pivoted from IP law to legal tech CEO
🔹 Why a law degree still provides valuable business skills—if you know how to use it
🔹 The evolution of Litera from acquisitions to building new tech
🔹 How AI is reshaping productivity and client service in law firms

Listen to the full conversation: https://hubs.la/Q03MgDp30

02/10/2025

New Episode!

Jim Doppke on MRPC 1.1

In our inaugural episode, legal ethics attorney Jim Doppke of Chicago's Robinson Law Group discusses changes to the Rules of Professional Conduct (ethics rules for lawyers) addressing the impact of technology on modern legal practice.

In 2012 the American Bar Association amended Comment 8 to Model Rule of Professional Conduct 1.1 (a lawyer's duty of competence) in response to changes in technology. The Comment now suggests attorneys must understand "the benefits and risks associated with relevant technology.” To date, more than twenty-five states require attorneys to stay abreast of changes in technology relating to law practice.

In this episode, Jim discusses the ethical obligations of attorneys to keep up with changes in legal technology and offers tips on how attorneys can begin to become for "technologically competent."

Technically Legal is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and the founder of Percipient, a tech-enabled alternative legal services provider .

Listen here: https://chtbl.com/track/12931/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/technicallylegal/Doppke_Podcast_Edited.mp3

02/10/2025

New Episode!

Episode 2: Zach Smolinski & Christian Auty on Blockchain

In Episode 2 we discuss blockchain technology and its impact on the practice of law with two Chicago lawyers Zach Smolinski and Christian Auty. Zach is with Ziliak Law and Christian with the Much Shelist firm. Both counsel clients on blockchain related matters.

In this episode Zach and Christian discuss what blockchain technology is, how they became interested in it, and the impact it will have on the practice of law.

Zach is involved in Fin Tank a group working to grow Chicago's blockchain community, and Christian authors the Digital Lawyer blog .

Episode Credits:

Theme Music: Home Base (Instrumental Version) by TA2MI

Audio Clip: excerpt from 14 Carrot Rabbit, Copyright 1952 Warner Brothers

Technically Legal is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and the founder of Percipient, a tech-enabled alternative legal services provider .

Listen here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/technicallylegal/Episode_2_Bitcoin.mp3

02/10/2025

New Episode!

Episode 3: Kent Zimmermann on Alternative Legal Service Providers

In this episode, we speak with Kent Zimmermann about the rise of alternative legal service providers--companies that help clients and attorneys accomplish legal related work such as document review for electronic discovery, or due diligence contract review for corporate mergers and acquisitions.

Kent also talks about law firm mergers. A topic he knows quite a bit about because he is a consultant helping law firms with strategic planning, management consulting, mergers, and marketing.

Technically Legal is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and the founder of Percipient, a tech-enabled alternative legal services provider .

Listen here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/technicallylegal/Episode_3_LPOs_and_ALSPs.mp3

02/10/2025

New Episode!

Episode 4: Dennis Garcia on Legal Department Automation, Cybersecurity and Lawyers Use of the Cloud

In this episode we talk to Microsoft Assistant General Counsel Dennis Garcia about legal department automation, the benefits of cloud computing and steps law firms can take to shore up cybersecurity. Dennis also discusses lawyers’ use of social media.

We also introduce a new segment for the podcast. Starting with this episode, we will include a short interview with a legal tech founder.

We start with Ryan Alshak, a lawyer and the founder of Ping, automated time keeping for attorneys.

Technically Legal is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and the founder of Percipient , a tech-enabled alternative legal services provider.

Listen here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/technicallylegal/Episode_4_Dennis_Garcia.mp3

02/10/2025

New Episode!

Episode 5: Ken Grady on Lean Thinking and Law

In Episode 5 we talk to Ken Grady about lean thinking and the practice of law.

Ken explains that the main goal of lean thinking is to eliminate waste from business processes and that legal work is rife with waste. He also points out that eliminating waste from the practice of law might just free up time for lawyers to do other work, including the pursuit of access to justice initiatives.

Ken is currently a law professor at Michigan State's Legal RnD program and held prior positions in corporate legal departments and law firms.

In this episode, we also talk to Gavin McGrane the founder of PacerPro, a great app that makes it a whole lot easier for attorneys and law firms to stay on top of federal court dockets and pleadings.

Episode Notes .

Technically Legal is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and the founder of Percipient , a tech-enabled alternative legal services provider.

Listen here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/technicallylegal/Episode_5_Ken_Grady_Lean_Thinking_and_Law.mp3

02/10/2025

New Episode!

Episiode 6: Casey Flaherty on Tech Competency, Legal Ops and Client Driven Change

For Episode 6, we sat down with D. Casey Flaherty at the Legal Tech conference in New York City.

Casey talked about a few things: how many lawyers struggle to master everyday technology, his experience as corporate counsel and the efforts he took in that role to improve the way company lawyers did their jobs. But, a good chunk of the conversation focused on Casey's belief that inefficiencies in legal service delivery will not change until clients demand change.

In this episode, we also talk to Haley Altman , the founder of Doxly . A legal transaction management platform used by transactional and M&A lawyers to stay organized when they are working on and closing deals.

Technically Legal is hosted by Chad Main, an attorney and the founder of Percipient , a tech-enabled alternative legal services provider.

Listen here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/technicallylegal/Episiode_6_Casey_Flaherty_on_Legal_Service_Delivery_Change.mp3

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