09/06/2022
Gun debate comprehensive debate points.
Its frequently argued that you or a loved one are more likely to be harmed by a gun if someone possesses one. That is an obvious and irrelevant argument.
If you drive a car you’re more likely to get into a car accident. If you choose to walk on the roads however your ability to travel safely and efficiently will be greatly hindered and people who continue to drive regardless of restrictions will be a greater threat to you and gain a large advantage.
Nature understands this logic as the OP pointed out but Barry does not. It’s okay Barry, even though you blocked me I got you and don’t worry I used the Google like you asked so you don’t have to.
#1: In 2021, there were an estimated 1.67M uses of fi****ms in defense situations. SOURCE: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3887145
By contrast, CDC data from 2020 showed only 19,384 gun homicides.
#2: 94% of mass shootings take place in ‘Gun Free’ zones. SOURCE: https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/
Texas law generally prohibits possessing a firearm on school grounds. SOURCES: https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/guns-in-schools-in-texas/
CLAIM: WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THIS HAPPENS.
TRUTH #1: We are NOT the country with the most violent crime. Murder rates per 100k from 2018. SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/262963/ranking-the-20-countries-with-the-most-murders-per-100-000-inhabitants/
El Salvador 52
Jamaica 43
Lesotho 43
Honduras 38
Where does America land on this list? SOURCE: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/murder
LESS than 5 homicides/100k.
TRUTH #2: We are NOT the country with the most mass shootings per capita even among first-world countries. SOURCE: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
The death rate per million, 2009-2015
1 - Norway 1.9
2 - Serbia 0.4
3 - Macedonia 0.3
The United States is 11th at 0.09!
“One of the main causes for the vast range of stances on mass shootings is that reliable data on mass shootings can be notoriously difficult to obtain—what's more, the data that does exist is often incompatible with data from other sources. No official, universally accepted definition for a mass shooting exists. Rather, each stat-tracking organization has its own qualifying criteria. For example, the United States Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) defines a mass shooting as a single attack that happens in a public place and in which three or more people are killed with a firearm. However, most other stat trackers require at least four fatalities. As a result of these mismatched definitions, database-to-database differences are both common and confounding.
Similarly, some databases include events in which at least four people were wounded, but not necessarily killed. Others do not. Some databases include occurrences in which the shooter killed only family members (but still in a public place, such as a restaurant). Others do not. Some databases include organized terrorist attacks, armed robberies gone wrong, and gang-related shootings. Other databases discard some or all of these incidents. In fact, in a 2019 study ( https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-019-0226-7 ) that compared four different databases, the number of mass shooting events recorded in the U.S. for the year 2017 ranged from a low of 11 to a high of 346. Clearly, a significant error margin exists, particularly when creating country-to-country comparisons.”
CLAIM: COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL WOULD HAVE PREVENTED RECENT SHOOTINGS:
TRUTH: Texas already requires background checks. SOURCE: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/16/fact-check-new-texas-law-doesnt-change-gun-purchase-regulations/5542740001/
Customers at licensed gun dealers in the state of gun capital of the country Texas, for example, are required to pass an FBI background check.
New York of course has stricter laws than Texas.
TRUTH #2: Schools are already ‘Gun Free’ Zones.
This doesn’t protect potential victims, it only emboldens potential criminals.
CLAIM: ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE TO BLAME.
TRUTH #1: Gun violence was on a downward trajectory before the 1994 ban. SOURCE: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/
And it has continued to fall even after the ban expired in 2004.
TRUTH #2: Handguns still account for far more deaths than “assault weapons” each year. SOURCE: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
59% attributed to handguns
Only 3% attributed to rifles of any sort.
TRUTH #3: Banning high-capacity magazines doesn’t stop mass shootings.
States with high-magazine bans include: SOURCE: https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/large-capacity-magazines/ Giffords
New York
California
D.C.
New Jersey
Colorado
Mass shootings still occur in these places. SOURCES: NYT NBC ABC6 DenverPost CNN NBC
Recent Buffalo, NY shooting
The Brooklyn Subway Terrorist
The church shooting in California
D.C. sniper shooting
Bridgeton, NJ
Boulder, CO
Four of those were just within the past couple of months and boast the strictest gun laws. The myth of blaming neighboring areas with more relaxed gun laws is easily debunked by asking why those places have lower crime and gun violence rates? Probably because it’s silly to blame an inanimate object and law abiding citizens in different places.
TRUTH #4: Countries in Europe and other parts of the world have strict bans on fi****ms, yet still experience mass casualty events. SOURCES: https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/14/man-convicted-of-stabbing-several-people-in-sweden-knife-attack
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html
https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/07/four-people-injured-and-suspect-arrested-after-knife-attack-in-greece
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2021/05/22/one-killed-four-injured-in-amsterdam-stabbing
https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/22/seven-injured-in-stabbing-at-dutch-asylum-seekers-centre
https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/03/eight-people-stabbed-in-suspected-terrorist-attack-in-sweden-say-police
There’s the 1973 mass murder at a gay bar in New Orleans that killed 32: An ejected customer went down the street and bought a can of cigarette-lighter fluid. And the 87 murdered in New York City in 1990: A guy upset with his ex-girlfriend bought $1 worth of gasoline. In 1986 in San Juan, Puerto Rico, union officers put pressure on an employer by using camp-stove gas to murder 97. On July 5 of this year, a guy in Port Angeles, Wash., burned his trailer, killing his wife and three children.
One man stabbed to death five people with a kitchen knife at a Calgary party. After the 1996 Port Arthur mass murder, Australia banned most semiautomatic rifles, but they still have mass murders: eight siblings killed in a mass stabbing in Queensland; five bludgeoned to death in Sydney in 2009. Mass murders by arson are also a problem in such countries. Palace Backpackers Hostel in Childers, Queensland, was intentionally burned in 2000, killing 15. The 2011 Quakers Hill Nursing Home fire killed eleven, set by a nurse after police questioned him about drug abuse.
Japan has mass murders. In 1995, a sarin poison-gas attack killed 13 and injured many more. In 2016, a former employee of a nursing home stabbed to death 19 of the patients. Eight students were stabbed to death at an Osaka school in 2001. A combination vehicle/stabbing incident killed seven in Tokyo in 2008. A father burned his wife and five children to death in Tokyo in 2017. Last month, 35 died when a man set fire to an anime studio.
China, another society with very strict gun laws, also has mass murders. A 2014 terrorist knife attack in Kunming left 33 dead and 143 injured. A series of school attacks in the early 2010s killed at least 25 in total; while not all of these school attacks were mass murders (five or more killed in one attack), some meet the criteria: eight schoolchildren murdered with a knife in Nanping in March 2010; nine murdered in Hanzhong with a meat cleaver in May 2010.
There have also been motor-vehicle mass murders in Europe and Australia: 84 murdered with a truck in Nice, France; 12 in Berlin, Germany; five in Stockholm; 13 in Barcelona, Spain; eight by truck and knives in London. While these were terrorist mass murders, others have been mental-health-related, such as an attack in Melbourne, Australia, that killed six.
Ban fi****ms and people will still find ways to kill others, and no one will have any guns to defend themselves.
Pointing out people will still break the law is not a subpar argument, it’s a moral argument that refutes the claim that additional restrictions will have a net positive effect on preserving human life. It’s a sh*tty people problem and disarming or prohibiting innocent, law abiding people from defending themselves isn’t just illogical it’s also evil.
Nice catching up with ya!
Police in Sweden are still investigating a possible "terrorist" motive behind a stabbing incident in Vetlanda on Wednesday.
