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Courageous Empathy Courageous empathy is about having vulnerable conversations to connect with others and bridge difficult gaps.
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It's about having the humility to risk being misunderstood or even judged, for the sake of larger convictions.

26/04/2023

Part 3

Two years ago, I interviewed my friend Alicia Johnston about her book The Bible and LGBTQ Adventists. The first two parts of that interview were put on my YouTube channel and then my channel got deleted (long story). Part 3 about the Romans 1 chapter was never released, and I thought this week would be a good time to do it.

For the last several months I have been doing a chapter-by-chapter review of Alicia's book and this week we are discussing the Romans 1 Chapter. So, instead of writing out my review I thought I could share this short interview where we discuss some of the things we should be paying attention to as we think about Romans 1 as it relates to LGBTQ+ people.

For those who are interested you can read all of my chapter-by-chapter reviews by clicking on this link and finding the previous review at the end of each post https://www.facebook.com/kevin.mcgill.718/posts/pfbid02vrDpJMaUaij3A9LFaVNhYmf3UvSi3rys1ibKaBW8Bcp5e7Hz1ACiHWL8jkrr84Y4lz

26/04/2023

Part 2

Before moving to Seattle, I interviewed my friend Alicia on her book, "The Bible and LGBTQ Adventists." This interview was from two years ago. I am posting it here now because after the interview I lost my YouTube channel and in the busyness of the move and starting at a new church, I didn't have the mental capacity to reengage in this conversation. Also, after posting part one of this interview, I was attacked by an online religious outlet as a heretic for daring to participate in this conversation. The first part of this video is my response to that.

At the time I was also engaged in a conversation about a pastor named Doug Wilson who is a Christian Nationalist in Idaho. I was in the middle of a move and was honestly exhausted... Read about why I felt having those conversations was important here https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ezwx/inside-the-church-that-preaches-wives-need-to-be-led-with-a-firm-hand

My YouTube channel started as a result of those conversations, and I was disappointed when I lost those videos when my channel was accidently deleted. I still believe in the importance of courageous empathy. I still believe that what Alicia has to share in this 3-part interview and in her book is important.

Part one of the interview is available here https://fb.watch/k9bQlqKgnN/

Those of you who read "Educated" by Tara Westover will recognize similar themes in this story. Miranda was able to overc...
11/02/2023

Those of you who read "Educated" by Tara Westover will recognize similar themes in this story. Miranda was able to overcome her fundamentalist Adventist background and find freedom.

Take the time to watch this interview I did with her and see the amazing resilience for yourself.

26/01/2023

Part 1

Before moving to Seattle, I interviewed my friend Alicia Johnston​ about her book "The Bible and LGBTQ Adventists." I posted these videos on YouTube but unfortunately that channel got deleted (long story) so I am uploading them again here now.

This conversation matters because LGBTQ people matter, I am so thankful when q***r people still want to attend church. I resonate with what Andy Stanley said recently, "A gay person who still wants to attend church after the way they've been treated, I'm telling you, they have more faith than I do."

There is a lot we can learn from the faith of q***r people. There is a lot we can learn when we commit to being curious as opposed to judgmental.

Thank you for taking the time to watch the video and respectfully engage in this space.

If interested, you can purchase Alicia's book here
https://www.aliciajohnston.com/

And if anyone would like to explore further... there is a book club starting very soon that will be going through Alicia's book. Message me if you are interested in finding out more about that.

"Of all bad men religious bad men are the worst." -C.S. Lewis.Bad religion is worse than no religion. Thank you for your...
06/08/2022

"Of all bad men religious bad men are the worst." -C.S. Lewis.

Bad religion is worse than no religion. Thank you for your articulate and vulnerable response to your abuse Emilie Paige

I am sorry for the weight and the immensity of everything that was thrust upon you. I am sorry that Christ Church and Logos school still have a pattern of gaslighting and avoiding true accountability in your case and the case of so many others. It makes me sick.

The courage of the survivor in confronting this manipulative pastor is something to behold.This wasn't a case of "adulte...
24/05/2022

The courage of the survivor in confronting this manipulative pastor is something to behold.

This wasn't a case of "adultery" this was a s*x offense against a teenager, and the abuse of power from a pastor who used his position for his own gratification.

Share!

15/04/2022

I don’t believe it was a coincidence that Jesus first revealed both His identity as the Messiah, AND His resurrection to women.

Jesus did not elevate women to be higher then men, but in an age where women had no legal, personal, or religious value, He elevated them to be equal to men.

~ Emily Elizabeth Anderson

09/04/2022

So much abuse happens in the name of Christianity. Pastors need to be aware of their potential to be spiritual abusers. Because they are in a position of power, Pastors must be careful to not use their influence inappropriately to control or manipulate the congregation.

What strikes me about this article is that it was written and published by Christianity Today . It takes moral courage t...
16/03/2022

What strikes me about this article is that it was written and published by Christianity Today . It takes moral courage to address the flaws of your own institution. The goal is accountability and reformation. Speaking out is not just about fighting what you hate, it's about saving what you love.

Right now, in the Seventh-day Adventist Church there is an opportunity to hold leaders who protected an abusive pastor accountable. This is a story about a lady named Anita who spoke out about her s*xual, emotional, and spiritual abuse by her now ex-husband. Her local Church, the Conference, and the Union didn’t believe her story. You can read about all of that here.
https://intelligentadventist.com/

What if instead of covering this all up and sweeping it under the rug the flagship magazine of the church the Adventist Review wrote about this story? What if the President of the church Pastor Ted Wilson used his voice and platform to protect the whistleblowers?

Read the report about what whistleblowers are being threatened with here.

https://intelligentadventist.com/2022/03/news-flash-union-president-forces-pastors-to-turn-over-electronic-devices-in-a-hunt-for-whistleblowers/

The least we can do is stand up for the people who are courageous enough to stand up for their convictions. One way we can do that is by signing a petition to protect the whistleblowers.

I am signing this petition because I think accountability matters. As a pastor I believe a primary role I have been given is to protect the sheep. If a pastor is a predator he shouldn't be protected, he should be held accountable.

Jesus said his mission was to, "open blind eyes, set at liberty those who are oppressed, and heal the broken hearted." It's not just about fighting what we hate, it's about protecting what we love.

We do that by supporting those who speak the truth. Any leader who tries to silence the voice of courageous honesty should be fired.

How the church responds to this situation speaks volumes. Silence is violence. Speaking up and supporting the oppressed is a start in the work of seeking the justice that God calls us to.

Sign the petition here

https://www.change.org/p/protect-whistleblowers?redirect=false

A new wind is blowing...

Julie Anne Smith calls it a "movement" Sheila Wray Gregoire calls it a "shaking", Sarah McDugal calls it a "tidal wave" whatever it is, the church can never go back to the old way of doing things. There is a reckoning taking place that can't just be swept under the rug.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/march/s*xual-harassment-ct-guidepost-assessment-galli-olawoye.html

Women reported two top leaders’ inappropriate behavior for more than 12 years. Nothing happened.

I am thankful for the courage of this Russian priest who was arrested for delivering a sermon against the war in Ukraine...
11/03/2022

I am thankful for the courage of this Russian priest who was arrested for delivering a sermon against the war in Ukraine. That is what pulpits are for.

As Martin Luther King Jr. Said:

"The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool. If the church does not recapture its prophetic zeal, it will become an irrelevant social club without moral or spiritual authority."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russian-priest-arrested-delivering-sermon-anti-war-against-ukraine-1685436%3famp=1

The arrest comes amid a broader crackdown on free speech in Russia, where authorities have prohibited media from calling the invasion of Ukraine a "war."

04/03/2022

Yesterday at a stoplight I saw a man walk into the middle of oncoming traffic with his pants down around his ankles. He was stumbling and oblivious, grinning at the honking cars as he fumbled around.

This fellow human sunken to a point of depravity.

I hate that in moments like this it feels as if there is nothing I can do but bear witness and pray.

I watched as a fire truck came by and helped get him out of the middle of the street.

So much of society is mentally unwell, the immensity of the challenge is overwhelming.

I feel this every time I take the Northgate exit to return home and drive by the homeless tents on the side of the freeway.

I feel this every time I drive down Aurora Ave. And see prostitutes walking the street. Humans made in the image of God, turned into commodities by pimps and human lust.

In every corner of this planet such disparities exist.

When I was in Thailand I was walking down a street and observed a drunk man from the States offer a dollar bill for a prostitutes service.

When my wife and I were on vacation in the Philippines we stayed at a resort. All around the resort people were living in shambles. It was hard to ignore this as we sipped pina coladas poolside.

It's not just big cities that are plagued by such issues. The problems of addiction and mental challenges are everywhere.

I don't have the answers... the least I can do is bear witness and pray.

Spiritual abuse on top of s*xual abuse makes me sick. Thankful for all the people who find the strength and resilience t...
07/02/2022

Spiritual abuse on top of s*xual abuse makes me sick. Thankful for all the people who find the strength and resilience to tell their story.

Read all 8 parts of this here at Thriving Forward

When I was 18 years old I spent 10 days in Chicago at the Headquarters of my childhood cult: The Institute in Basic Life Principles (yes, the same infamous cult the Duggar family belongs to). Though my visit was less than two weeks long, it forever changed the course of my life.

Four years later I joined a lawsuit against the cult leader, Bill Gothard, along with 18 fellow plaintiffs, all claiming various allegations of abuse and misconduct.

When I first joined the suit I was asked to share my story in full. Since writing always came easier then speaking for me, I decided to write out my entire cult experience. I penned the piece as an open letter to Bill Gothard. I had hoped to one day read it as a victim impact statement in court, but that opportunity sadly never came.

Bill Gothard has read the letter. I was required to turn it over as part of the lawsuit discovery process.

But while Bill has read it, the rest of the world has not.

Until now.

For the very first time I will be sharing this document publicly. It was written when I was just 23 years old — before I had begun my formal deconstruction of patriarchal, fundamentalist Christianity. I have made a few grammatical corrections and have edited a few phrases for my legal protection, but otherwise the document remains unedited.

It is my hope that by speaking out this way I will be able to further bring darkness into light and the truth may be known.

~ Emily Elizabeth Anderson, Jane Doe III

My Open Letter to Bill Gothard: A true Story of Innocence, Brokenness, and Redemption

**Originally written July 2016**

PART ONE:

INTRODUCTION

Exactly four years ago a sudden burst of courage enabled me to share this story. However, almost immediately afterwards, I was manipulated back into silence by my abuser through fear and guilt.

Today, I break that chain. I will no longer be silenced.

As God is my witness the following account is completely true and accurate.

This is my story.

OUR FIRST MEETING

Thirteen.

I was just thirteen years old when we first met. I was young, innocent, and naïve. My mother had just started homeschooling me the year before and we had enrolled in your Advanced Training Institute, aka, ATI.

It was the spring of 2006 at the Total Health Conference. I had just been diagnosed with Crohn’s disease a few months prior and we were hoping to learn some natural ways to help my body heal.

We met that first time in one of the hallways. You stopped me as we passed each other and asked me point blank what I wanted to do with my life. I was quite star struck.

Here I was, two feet in front of the man behind the Wisdom Booklet homeschool materials I had studied every morning and Basic Seminar conferences I’d attended many times. I couldn’t figure out why you were talking to me. It didn’t quite seem real.

In response to your question, I told you that I wanted to train horses for a living.

We parted ways without saying much more and I smiled with excitement as I walked away. I told my mother right away that you had stopped me in the hallway and talked to me. She was as excited and star struck as I had been.

In our eyes, meeting Bill Gothard in person was the equivalent of meeting the president of the United States. In fact, even more so, because you were such a high spiritual authority; you had always been referred to in our family as “The Modern Day Apostle Paul”.

That night at dinner my mother and I were told by some staff members that we were to sit at your table that night. The table was quite long and seated around 16 people. As one by one everyone was seated, I noticed two things. First, you had not arrived yet. Second, there was only one seat left at the table – the one directly across from me.

After several minutes had passed, you finally arrived and promptly sat down in the empty seat across from me. Your eyes locked onto mine. Your gaze held me like a pin to a butterfly. I felt myself flutter, but couldn’t move.

You immediately started sharing with the group how we’d met earlier that day and that you were quite impressed with my spirit and countenance. You flattered me with lavish complements and kept asking everyone “isn’t she amazing?” as I blushed uncontrollably.

I was overwhelmed. I felt flushed. It was all so new to me. Someone actually thought I was special. I felt cherished by someone other than my mother for the first time. You didn’t know it at the time, but I’ve never received that sort of love from my father or any male in my life. I was so starved for male affection that I lapped your attention right up.

However, even though I didn’t realize it at the time, you immediately started your pattern of control and trying to change me. You began to share with the group my expressed desire to train horses for a living.

“We need to turn Emily’s desire into training men, not horses,” you said.

I was then startled by your following proposition.

“How old are you, Emily?” you asked

“Thirteen,” I replied.

You explained that you had a program called the Great Expeditions Team. The team was stationed at Headquarters in Chicago, IL but frequently took mission trips to various countries all over the world. You would be joining us for most of the trips and I would be doing a great bit of traveling with you. The age limit was 14. You then asked if I would consider leaving home and permanently joining the team as soon as I turned 14 in nine months.

I think my mother was just as stunned as I. “What about school?” we were both thinking. We didn’t have to bring up the topic of school, however, because there was an even more concerning issue.

“Crohn’s disease and third world countries don’t exactly mix well,” my mother said. “We’ll have to see how her health is at the time.”

You seemed quite confident that I’d be healed of my Crohn’s if I practiced the principles we’d learned that week at the conference, and so, you were satisfied that I would indeed be joining the GE team that fall. My mother and I decided to leave it at that, and address the issue of a 14 year old quitting school and moving away from home, later.

After dinner you brought me to your personal assistant (also a young girl) and told her to get my information and stay in contact with me.

“Don’t let this one go,” I remember you sternly saying to the assistant, as you pointed a reprimanding finger toward her.

Interestingly enough, she never did follow up with me. I wonder now if the dear girl was trying to spare me from what I now see and consider as a life of slavery.

Over the next several months I thought of your proposal frequently. It became a source of tension between me and my mother, a consequence I’m sure you intended.

After all, I was entering my teens. While I was usually quite complacent, and an obedient rule-follower, I did go through some typical teenage bouts of challenging boundaries. Whenever my mother and I got in an argument, she would be quick to use your fondness for me as an attack.

“If Bill Gothard really knew what you were like, he’d never ask for you to work for him.”

Her words stung like fire, and I resented her for it. My heart was already turning toward you and against her.

Read Part Two Here: https://www.facebook.com/100063497325684/posts/355822996544275/?d=n

I listened to this podcast this morning. Powerful, authentic, and honest. I appreciate what To Love, Honor and Vacuum is...
03/02/2022

I listened to this podcast this morning. Powerful, authentic, and honest. I appreciate what To Love, Honor and Vacuum is doing in telling the truth about toxic teaching. I am thankful for the vulnerability and strength of this lady in telling her story. I agree with what is said in this podcast, abused women are sometimes characterized as "weak" but the ones I know who have found the courage to move forward are some of the most resilient and strong people I know. When they find that freedom they give testimony that there is a better more beautiful way than the toxic patriarchal teaching that is so rampant in some evangelical circles.

Some people say Emerson's book, "Love and Respect", isn't meant for people in abusive relationships only healthy ones... rubbish. I agree with what was said in the podcast healthy marriages don't give unconditional respect. They don't enable entitlement based on gender. Healthy marriages are based on mutual love and commitment, from that respect comes naturally.

The Podcast With the Woman Who Was Crying in the Shower Before S*x by Sheila Wray Gregoire | Feb 3, 2022 | Podcasts | 0 comments Two weeks ago on the podcast we told you about a women who wrote in to Emerson Eggerichs of Love & Respect, saying she was crying in the shower before s*x. She said that i...

02/02/2022

Here's a potential passage to walk through with that friend or relative who's trying to discern whether her marriage is oppressive or not. ❤
She's likely been led to believe that love = oppression, because her husband will go back and forth between destructive, hurtful behavior and telling her he loves her, or giving her gifts, being fun, etc.
Our listening, validating, and asking gentle but powerful questions about how God truly defines love can make such a difference.






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20/01/2022

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version. This happens a lot and it needs to stop. I can be guilty of this myself. We guard against it by listening for the best, seeking clarification when we assume the worst, and by being empathetic.

Social media is a great opportunity to interact with people that see things differently. But it becomes volatile if we get defensive, become aggressive, and react to the extremes. Here are 13 suggestions I find helpful in navigating the polarizing landscape of the world wide web. I got this from Chris Arnade:

1. A small example of one of the many ways social media pushes people into extreme camps. I call it the validity through outrage effect.

2. Social media allows one to choose the worst (and most extreme) opposition to a view, then reframe it as all the opposition

3. The general way it works is to tweet a marginally strong view. You will get a range of push-back. Some smart & nuanced. Some not

4. Natural tendency is to get outraged at most extreme

Maybe retweet it, maybe with quote on top suggesting this is what you are up against

5. You have now not only solidified your belief in your view. You have also managed to ignore the smarter or more nuanced criticism.

6. Worse. You have also nudged anybody who just kind of disagrees with you into sympathizing with the extreme criticism. And disliking you.

7. Now it becomes tribal, with both sides pushing further and further apart, driven by the most extreme voices. The process continues

8. Some people actively use this technique to try and frame all opposition as filled with the nasty, and their own views as saintly.

9. Yet IMO the more dangerous version isn't intentional. You can find yourself pulled into it -- Not seeing the forest for the trolls.

10. It is much easier than dealing with smart and thoughtful criticism. Especially when you become overwhelmed with views.

11. The internet provides you with a build-your-own-strawman opposition. And the result is we get pulled into extreme bubbles.

12. So. I will try my best to never again quote retweet a nasty response to me. I mean it really is a cheap technique. (Sorry for past sins)

13. When it comes to people that appear threatening. Try to assume the best, but be prepared for the worst, and speak the truth in love.

19/12/2021

Look, if this doesn’t get you in the Christmas spirit, nothing will.

H/T Christian Hellington

Like many of you I have been reflecting on the story of the virgin birth. This weekend I watched, "The Chosen" depict th...
13/12/2021

Like many of you I have been reflecting on the story of the virgin birth. This weekend I watched, "The Chosen" depict the scene and it brought me to tears. I have also always appreciated Joy Williams lyrics in her song "Here With Us" as she sings:

"It's still a mystery to me
That the hands of God could be so small
How tiny fingers reaching in the night
Were the very hands that measured the sky

It's still a mystery to me
How His infant eyes have seen the dawn of time
How His ears have heard an angel's symphony
But still Mary had to rock her Savior to sleep"

I have been reflection on the mystery. The joy, and the wonder of it all. Then this week I read the raw beautiful honesty from the last words of Rachel Held Evans.

She wrote as only a mother wrestling with faith, hope, and love can write. She says:

"Perhaps it is because I am neck-deep in a season of motherhood and caretaking that I am more aware than ever of the startling and profound reality that I am a Christian not because of anything I’ve done but because a teenage girl living in occupied Palestine at one of the most dangerous moments in history said yes—yes to God, yes to a wholehearted call she could not possibly understand, yes to vulnerability in the face of societal judgment, yes to the considerable risk of pregnancy and childbirth, yes to clogged milk ducts and spit-up in her hair and hundreds of middle-of-the-night feedings, yes to scary fevers and learning as you go and all the first-century equivalents of bad advice from WebMD, yes to a vision for herself and her little boy of a mission that would bring down rulers and lift up the humble, that would turn away the rich and fill the hungry with good things, that would scatter the proud and gather the lowly, yes to a life that came with no guarantee of her safety or her son’s.

I know that Christians are Easter people. We are supposed to favor the story of the resurrection, which reminds us that death is never the end of God’s story. Yet I have never found that story even half as compelling as the story of the Incarnation.

It is nearly impossible to believe: God shrinking down to the size of a zygote, implanted in the soft lining of a woman’s womb. God growing fingers and toes. God kicking and hiccupping in utero. God inching down the birth canal and entering this world covered in blood, perhaps into the steady, waiting arms of a midwife. God crying out in hunger. God reaching for his mother’s breasts. God totally relaxed, eyes closed, his chubby little arms raised over his head in a posture of complete trust. God resting in his mother’s lap.

On the days and nights when I believe this story that we call Christianity, I cannot entirely make sense of the storyline: God trusted God’s very self, totally and completely and in full bodily form, to the care of a woman. God needed women for survival.

Before Jesus fed us with the bread and the wine, the body and the blood, Jesus himself needed to be fed, by a woman. He needed a woman to say: “This is my body, given for you.”

*Here is a link to the book "Whole Hearted Faith" https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062894471/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_E53M2YKPZQQDHQBF4AAN

*The Chosen Birth of Jesus episode https://youtu.be/paOjgZZDads

* Joy Williams song Here With https://youtu.be/EosUH0orVUg

25/11/2021

Thank your saying this Amanda Harden

If you feel comfortable sharing your story reach out to Sarah.
20/11/2021

If you feel comfortable sharing your story reach out to Sarah.

Submit your 60-90 second impact video here.

17/11/2021

Recently I wrote a post about theological gaslighting. In response I got a thoughtful message from a lady that I think many of you may be able to relate with. She gave me permission to share:

Kevin, I was recently shown a post of yours that moved me to deep tears. The same thing you talked about just happened to me a couple months ago by one of my best friends. She also happens to be the mom of my youngest son's best friend so there honestly is no way of escaping from this friendship even though my heart cries out to be able to do so.
Almost exactly two years ago was when the friendship began. It was just after I had served my soon to be ex-husband divorce papers with a protection order.

This meant explaining to my friend and her husband that my kids were court ordered to see their father for visitation and that this would affect play dates as far as who would be dropping off and picking up my youngest son from their house. So, I shared what was on my heart and I realize now that it was of no use. I told them of the 20+ years the kids and I had endured verbal/emotional abuse, manipulation, control, anger, things being thrown at us at times. I explained how my oldest daughter had moved out before she was 18 because she could not handle it and how my next oldest had come to me before he was 18 saying he was going to do the same and this is what finally prompted me to act.

God kept placing events and opening my eyes and pushing me to find the courage deep down inside and the self-worth I no longer had to dig my way out to get help. To push past this huge wave of fear to do what I knew I needed to do. I had so much evidence from God showing me and pushing me and telling me what the right thing was to do. Like the time I found out via social media that my ex had gone to Spokane and out to dinner with another woman and was posting openly comments on her page about how beautiful, hot, and s*xy she was. I endured this for about three years watching it and waiting but too scared to do anything.

I finally went and talked to my pastor who gave his "blessing" or reassurance that it was okay to move forward with what I had fought so hard to avoid for so many years. I had tried EVERYTHING. I bent over backwards to be the "perfect" wife. I offered for us to go to counseling.

I went to counseling alone thinking it was me that was at fault because this is what he led me to believe. I begged God to change ME since I had to be the problem. I read the book "The Power of a Praying Wife" by Stormie Omartian over and over again and prayed all the prayers at the back of the book putting his name and mine in those prayers begging God for a miracle to save our marriage. I pleaded with God for a miracle. I grieved so deeply and wept so often that God has so many bottles of my tears that he could rain down from Heaven for a month or more. My heart ached from the deep pain and helplessness of what to do to fix it. I knew I should never have married him. There were warning signs, but I just wanted to help a hurting soul that I had fallen in love with.

I thought if only I loved him unconditionally it would be enough and it would heal him, but I soon found out that would never be possible. It would take complete surrender on his part to our Heavenly Father to heal his past wounds and open his heart. But that never happened. I watched as he pushed God further and further away. I even have felt like I let God down by not being able to "help" him or love him enough. There is so much more to share, but I will not take your time nor is it important at this point.

So what happened is that one day when my youngest's father picked him up from their house from a playdate my ex played his victim role on them big time and they fell for it so much so that I knew right away when I saw my friend that something wasn't right in our relationship. My ex's story or side of it was so convincing that she told me she went inside their house and wept. Her husband to this day will not even look at me or be around me any longer. My friend came up to me and put her hand on my shoulder and asked me "Is there any chance for reconciliation? Because God just does not like divorce at all." And then she proceeded to give me a DVD by Focus On the Family called "Experiencing a Fulfilled Marriage."

I was literally speechless. Did she not think that is only what I had ever longed for? What my aching heart had cried out to God for so many, many years? That I had grieved deeply for what I knew I never could have?

Apparently not....even after I had opened up and shared so much with them. It just goes to show the power of an abuser and their manipulation over the innocent.

So when I saw what you posted....so many emotions. And so raw still in my heart that this is exactly what just happened to me. I cannot ever thank you enough for caring enough and opening up on this topic and sharing what you did. I have been wronged by her and her husband and still am being so, but I am also stuck in this relationship due to our son's being best friends. But I can still love her and forgive her and find the courage deep down inside to be around her because I can tell when she looks at me with pity that her and her husband still have not changed their minds on where they stand. I have done a horrible thing in their eyes and being the sensitive person I am that doesn't feel good, but I pray my heart will always have God's spirit to accept others unconditionally in His love and forgiveness.

I feel so strongly that this topic needs deep attention not only in our church but other churches as well. My friend does not have a facebook account so will never read what you have so deeply shared, but it is my prayer that the truth will come to her and also that the truth about my marriage will come to light in this community where so many choose to gossip and judge. It is a horrible feeling knowing my ex is out there still spreading lies against me. Unfortunately, this divorce is over 2 years and hopefully will be over in a few weeks when it goes to trial in December. He has been in contempt with court so many times but the court system has done nothing about it. I am still praying for a miracle that it will somehow not go to trial.

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