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The Hated and the Dead Each week, a guest and I discuss the life and legacy of one politician from recent times

02/02/2023

The first of two episodes this week, I spoke to Joanna Lillis about long-standing President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, who ruled the country for 35 years. Last year, he was finally removed from power following Kazakhstan’s biggest protests for decades. Listen to the full story with the links below!

Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2RI6ExR0uvR4s2WAaLf5In?si=Mpmi4y8jSumqDLKEswJ_Xg

Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-hated-and-the-dead/id1587026605?i=1000597075052

20/12/2022

This first of two episodes this week concerns Zviad Gamsakhurdia, modern Georgia’s first President.

Under him, Georgia became a hellish place, ripped apart by civil war, organised crime and militia violence.

Sadly, Gamsakhurdia cannot be acquitted in all of this as a placeholder- his commitment to an ethnically homogenous Georgia, in a part of the world anything but, was always going to lead to problems. Gamsakhurdia’s own life ended in a bunker in 1993, probably by su***de, and is a rather sordid reflection of how Georgia’s own utopian dream for its future died on its feet in the early 1990s.

Listening to my guest today, Gamsakhurdia reminded me of two former subjects on this podcast, the Welsh nationalist leader Saunders Lewis, and the Serb dictator Slobodan Milosevic, both of whom also had a no-holds-barred and blunt approach to nationalism. Thankfully, the country has taken a different and cannier path to self-government since, and is a relative success story among the post-Soviet states.

My guest for this conversation today is Tom de Waal. Tom is a senior fellow with Carnegie Europe, and is one of the leading authorities on the Caucasus region. I would highly recommend his book The Caucasus: An Introduction, to anyone looking to read up on this amazing and enigmatic part of our continent. As well as Gamsakhurdia’s life, Tom and I discussed the bizarre interplay between Stalinism and Georgian nationalism, Georgia’s place in Europe, and how a country and a region so far away from the capitals of diplomacy has forged relations with the great World powers.

Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2kMxsJylXGB0FinDtynbdS?si=5S2_3YhITVCPF7kNfgq9AA

Apple Podcasts:

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-hated-and-the-dead/id1587026605?i=1000590501799

20/11/2022

To mark the start of the FIFA World Cup in Qatar, this week's episode concerns Sepp Blatter.

Blatter served President of FIFA, football's international governing body, between 1998 and 2015. To mark the beginning of the FIFA World Cup in Qatar, my guest and I take a look at his time in charge of the world's most popular sport.

The irony of the Qatar decision is that Blatter didn’t actually want the World Cup to go there; instead, he lost control of the corruption that had infested world football governance for decades prior.

Amid some of the other things currently going on in the world, many might claim that focusing on something as trivial as a football tournament is unimportant. But I'm not so sure; there is, for example, something rather fitting about millions of Brits shivering in their freezing homes due to soaring energy bills, watching football matches played and attended by the wealthiest people in the world. And despite the constant attempts to make football a more accepting sport for gay fans and players, the current world cup and the one before it have been hosted by two of the most intolerant countries one could hope to find. On the contrary, then, the Qatar story isn’t a distraction from the worst things happening in the world today, but a reflection of them.
My guest for this episode is Martyn Ziegler, who is the Chief Sports Reporter for the Times and Sunday Times, and is the author of a recent article exposing the Qatar World Cup bid for that publication. As well as Blatter’s career, we discuss the inconsistencies and hypocrisies in world football, the potential for future tournaments to be hosted by unpleasant regimes, whether there is too much football played today, and, on a lighter note, who Martyn thinks will win the World Cup in Qatar.

Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3Wdkh3nRkKeD1bP3xSYXYI?si=2da1f3d5dab24526&nd=1

Apple:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep61-sepp-blatter/id1587026605?i=1000586823115

13/10/2022

This week's episode concerns Viktor Orban.

Orban has been prime minister of Hungary since 2010, and previously served in that role from 1998 until 2002. In that first stint as Hungarian leader, Orban passed without comment in European Union circles, but his second premiership has seen him come up against the EU on issues related to the rule of law, LGBT rights, and the 2015 migrant crisis.

Orban is now fully fledged right-wing populist, but unlike other people who fit that description, sees himself as the international poster boy for this type of politics, making him Hungary’s most divisive export. Hungary’s future looks, in many ways, very bleak- it has a flatlining economy, largely due to falling population, something likely to lead to scarcity and rising prices in the long run. It is not helped by the fact that Orban is hoping his party, which has little novel or innovative to say about Hungary’s economic situation, will stay in power until 2060.

Could Orban happen here? Hungary, a nation only thirty years free from communism, and suffering from endemic corruption and economic stagnation, was fertile ground for the right-wing politics of Orban. What about countries like Britain, the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries, which have much longer traditions of democracy and the rule of law?

My guest today is Viktoria Serdült. Viktoria is an author at Visegrad Insight, a media site that focuses on Hungary and its Central European neighbours, as well as HVG, Hungary’s leading economic and political weekly. We discuss the seeds of Orban’s rise in the fall of Hungarian communism, his manipulation of the media, his government’s family planning policy, the chasm in social attitudes that exists across the European continent, and the 2015 migrant crisis.

Enjoy!

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0cWElTyulrOFCIUFumkfpH?si=d4ea0b2ab5a94c83

Apple:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-hated-and-the-dead/id1587026605?i=1000582022307

27/09/2022

There have been demands for greater autonomy for Scotland within the UK since the country joined the Union in 1707, but it was only in 1997- 25 years ago this month- that Scotland finally got its own parliament.

1997 was the culmination of a long struggle for self-government led by a group of people in Scotland, some left-wing, others right, many non-descript. These people, the devolutionists, are the subject of today’s episode. Whilst few can, in and of itself, criticise any group’s desire for self-government, the matter of devolution- that is to say, the giving of powers- to parliaments in Scotland and Wales, has proven highly controversial.

Many British commentators argue that the granting of a Parliament to the Scots, far from satisfying demands for self-government, merely gave them a taste for it, leading inevitably to calls for total separation from the UK. Whether that’s true is up for debate, but there is little doubt that many people in England have grown tired of the Scots, and are now for the first time contemplating English independence.

My guest for this conversation is a man who can truly describe himself as a devolutionist. Lord Jack McConnell served as the First Minister of Scotland- the position now held by Nicola Sturgeon- from 2001 until 2007. Jack is the first former head of government I have had on the podcast, and it was brilliant to speak to him about his own experiences running Scotland in the early days of the parliament. We discuss the flourishing of the modern Scottish, as opposed to British, identity; the government of Margaret Thatcher as a catalyst for change, the complex interplay between Brexit and Scottish independence, the future of Jack’s Labour Party in Scotland, and much more.

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ZUgLWDk1cEvhZY3NlDBuC?si=2391120c3f03444e

Apple podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep51-the-scottish-devolutionists/id1587026605?i=1000580534499

14/09/2022

The first of two episodes this week concerns New Zealand's prime minister Jacinda Ardern.

Ardern is a good example of how an affable, anodyne politician can pursue highly divisive and polarising policies. Ardern’s premiership has been defined by her response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Whilst New Zealand’s initial response to the pandemic in 2020 was praised across the world, and saw Ardern win a landslide election victory, the two years hence have seen New Zealand slowly creep up the death rate table.

The Ardern government has also been scolded by voters for a slow vaccine roll out and images of expatriates being unable to come home to visit dying relatives. Partly as a result, Ardern is now the least popular she has ever been, and her party, the Labour party, is now odds on to lose the next election in a year’s time. However, Ardern is still the recipient of uncritical levels of praise in the foreign media, and a healthy democracy is predicated upon us as citizens looking beyond favourable headlines, and judging politicians on results, not on our own biases.

I should say from the outset that I do not hate Ardern by any means, and this conversation is not designed to make you hate her, either; rather, it is supposed to be an objective look at a prime minister many New Zealanders have clearly fallen out of love with.

My guest today is David Farrar, who is a pollster and political commentator. David is the founder of Kiwiblog, one of the largest political blogs in New Zealand. We discuss Ardern’s rise in the Labour Party, her domestic agenda, of course, her response to Covid, and what the future holds for her struggling government.

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1yQUNfKVjifUYlQHWnU2yH?si=zBJUGmQiRSyb8Id-GJyfpQ

Apple podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep49-jacinda-ardern/id1587026605?i=1000579399497

This week's episode is about Canadian PM Justin Trudeau.The son of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau, Justin has beco...
05/06/2022

This week's episode is about Canadian PM Justin Trudeau.

The son of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau, Justin has become an international icon for feminists and progressives, whilst his polished and stage-managed governing style has generated scores of critics inside Canada.

On the face of it, Trudeau might not appear as unpleasant as many of the other characters I have studied on this podcast, and that’s because, to a great extent, he’s not. He hasn’t started wars that have killed thousands of innocent civilians, or shut down liberty and democracy in his country.

However, politics is a comparative discipline, and in Canada's relatively gentle political culture, Trudeau has been unusually controversial, and I wanted this conversation to be an attempt to uncover why.

My guest for this conversation is Andrew Coyne, columnist at the Toronto-based Globe and Mail newspaper.

SPOTIFY:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1g1RoumrwJTkYzig9M4Bfr?si=GDNGk-6KStKt6YjLYhOF4A

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep33-justin-trudeau/id1587026605?i=1000565240942

17/05/2022

This week's episode is about Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic (and a little bit about Johnny Depp)

Aleksandar Vucic has been President of Serbia since 2017. An illiberal democrat and a populist, Vucic has mixed intimidation of opposition media at home with an intriguing foreign policy. The latter has translated into a fascinating balancing act between the EU, Russia and China. Re-elected in a landslide in April 2022, Vucic's presidency shows few signs of ending anytime soon.

My guest for this conversation is Vuk Vuksanovic, researcher at the Belgrade Center for Security Policy, and is also an Associate at LSE Ideas. Enjoy!

SPOTIFY:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0pW8W2lvzSGAtJxiRpMZec?si=1wiXRfQIS4elGuQSNSFjjQ

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep31-aleksandar-vucic/id1587026605?i=1000561392171

This week's episode is about Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Mohammed bin Salman has been Crown Prince (heir to ...
26/04/2022

This week's episode is about Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Mohammed bin Salman has been Crown Prince (heir to the throne) of Saudi Arabia since 2017. As de facto leader of the country, he has enacted a series of liberalising social reforms that have had positive effects for Saudi women and young people. However, he has also centralised massive political power around himself, leading to many unpleasant moments, including the murder of Royal court figure turned journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018. MBS is undoubtedly a ruthless leader, but one big question remains- can the West afford to stand up to him?

My guest for this conversation was Justin Scheck ( on Twitter), reporter for the Wall Street Journal and co-author, along with Bradley Hope, of Blood and Oil, which was longlisted for the Financial Times and McKinsey Business Book of the Year award in 2020.

SPOTIFY:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/07GVhTc10Na8VYzBOQLDKP?si=0abd27ffb1504e8b

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep28-mohammed-bin-salman/id1587026605?i=1000558487754

This week's episode is about former South African President Jacob Zuma. A hero of the anti-apartheid struggle, Zuma's ti...
27/03/2022

This week's episode is about former South African President Jacob Zuma. A hero of the anti-apartheid struggle, Zuma's time in power is remembered for corruption and self-indulgence- the rural complex he built for himself reportedly cost nearly $25 million.

My guest today is Alec Russell, former News Editor of the Financial Times, and currently the Editor of FT Weekend ( on Twitter). Alec spent many years reporting from South Africa, and interviewed Zuma on a number of occasions.

We discuss Zuma’s role in the anti-apartheid struggle, his disastrous presidency, the evolution of the African National Congress from a protest movement to a party of power, and the complex political legacy of apartheid in modern day South Africa.

SPOTIFY:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4YPfAkg2dK14boObSPzqz0?si=355579f4a3b94026&nd=1

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep24-jacob-zuma/id1587026605?i=1000555344810

This week’s episode is about a group of people, rather than one individual. Adventure Capitalists are a loosely connecte...
21/03/2022

This week’s episode is about a group of people, rather than one individual. Adventure Capitalists are a loosely connected group of libertarian-leaning businessmen, dedicated to creating "exit projects". These projects are private polities outside the control of the constitutions and laws of traditional nation states, meaning that the adventure capitalists become the kings (or queens) of their own domains.

These projects may be found on land, out to sea, in space, or online. The activities of super-rich Americans such as Jeffrey Epstein makes the leaders of these exit projects deserving of much greater scrutiny than they receive at present. My guest for this episode was Raymond B. Craib, historian at Cornell University in New York state ( on Twitter).

SPOTIFY:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3JpeZ2WXicKpM9s2LcGtfq?si=6Uqr-rIaTD2PuR6tO4QxAw

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep23-the-adventure-capitalists/id1587026605?i=1000554601481

This week's episode is about former UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher. Arguably the most divisive British politician e...
13/03/2022

This week's episode is about former UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher. Arguably the most divisive British politician ever, her reputation as a beacon of controversy and dogmatism precedes her. Thatcher, however, serves as an example of a politician whose reputation is so controversial that it has become very difficult to make an objective assessment of her time in office. My guest for this conversation is Lord Peter Lilley, who served in the cabinets of both Margaret Thatcher and John Major.

SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Jw5Owf6EzkQgYNStEmhy7?si=6a5072769b1a4968

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep22-margaret-thatcher/id1587026605?i=1000553837536

This week's episode is about former UK Tony Blair. Blair served as PM between 1997 and 2007. The first Labour PM in 18 y...
07/03/2022

This week's episode is about former UK Tony Blair. Blair served as PM between 1997 and 2007. The first Labour PM in 18 years, Blair took Labour away from its left-wing roots towards a less ideological position focused on winning elections. Whilst successful in this aim (Labour won three general elections in a row), Blair is now deeply unpopular among the British public, and Labour has not won an election since he left. Why (and when) Blair's popularity took such a drubbing is the central investigation of today's episode.

My guest is Jon Cruddas, who worked for Blair in the late 1990s before becoming member of parliament for Dagenham and Rainham in 2001. Enjoy!

SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2EuA2hIkPcjpokKyokqixt?si=1bc350fb3ab64501https://open.spotify.com/episode/2EuA2hIkPcjpokKyokqixt?si=1bc350fb3ab64501

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/tony-blair/id1587026605?i=1000553054162

Today's episode is about Bangladeshi PM Sheikh Hasina. Hasina has been the prime minister of Bangladesh since 2009. Her ...
27/02/2022

Today's episode is about Bangladeshi PM Sheikh Hasina. Hasina has been the prime minister of Bangladesh since 2009. Her early credentials as a pioneer of democracy have been tainted by election fraud, and a spate of extrajudicial killings and torture. My guest for this episode was Tasneem Khalil, a Bangladeshi journalist who was forced to leave his country after being imprisoned by the Bangladeshi authorities in 2007. He is Editor in Chief of Netra News.

SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0tczYbRQgjnQzLwfFdpFbg?si=lreRESFBTIe_Dvr7649Xew

APPLE PODCASTS:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/sheikh-hasina/id1587026605?i=1000552333885

Tomorrow's episode is about controversial Bangladeshi PM Sheikh Hasina, and my guest is Bangladeshi journalist Tasneem K...
26/02/2022

Tomorrow's episode is about controversial Bangladeshi PM Sheikh Hasina, and my guest is Bangladeshi journalist Tasneem Khalil. Hope you all enjoy, and in the meantime, you can always find old episodes here:

https://thehatedandthedead.buzzsprout.com/

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