28/01/2023
Great Coates Manor ~ Site & Moat History
Originally published: April 4, 2012
Great Coates Manor ~ The Grange
A look at the moated site that was the centre of Great Coates, near Grimsby in Lincolnshire and a nice ‘aerial’ photograph !
The village of Great Coates, or Magna Cotes, has been around a long time, some interesting information in a previous article Can Be Found Here, now regarded as being part of Grimsby, at least for the last 100 years or so, it was once an independent manor with, of course, a Manor House and a moated one at that !
The photograph below was taken from the roof of St Nicolas’ Church Tower, it shows the grounds to the foreground of the current house
Great Coates Church sits right next door to the manorial site and there’s still clear evidence of the moat - indeed it forms part of the churchyard boundary.
A large and impressive house still sits on the site, I’m not sure of its age but I’m presuming relatively modern.
Most of the moat has now been filled in though the part the remains is impressive and still carries water at times, it provides a boundary for a parcel of land which is triangulated between the churchyard, the Vicarage and the current ‘Manor House’, it’s completely overgrown but it’s clear it was once ‘parkland’ as it were because there’s an old iron ‘fence’ around one of the trees - the land is owned, I believe, by the current owners of the house.
What I’d like to do is produce as timeline for the site and all those who owned it and lived there - I think we’ll need to be careful as to residents because I suspect there will be people who may have held the ‘manor’ whilst not actually inhabiting the house, as it were.
I should also like to piece together as many mentions possible of the house and its occupants over the years so if you can help in any way then please do leave a comment - many thanks
Rod
[Edit]
To clear up any confusion the site we are looking at is next to the church, on Aylesby Road and now known as The Grange I believe.
There is a house in Cooks Lane called ‘Manor House’ but what I’d like to do here is get to the bottom of this moated site . . .
Selection of the 65 comments:
v said,
April 4, 2012 @ 7:34 pm
I have found nothing in the newspapers about the house or its owners .
I have found indication as to who may have lived there between censuses .
Mark John Paget is listed as being in residence in 1911 and 1901 with his wife Frances Carr Stuart Glyn. Mark was a banker from Dorset.
1891 , William Kennington , a retired wine merchant from Gt Grimsby (but he was only 39 ;must have sold a lot of wine)
1881 John Cordeaux farmer ( born Leicestershire) and Mary Cordeaux Born CHESHIRE
1871 John Cordeaux
1861 John Cordeaux
1851 George Coates Born Durham
Amiguru said,
April 4, 2012 @ 10:03 pm
Rod & Veronica,
John Cordeaux was a fine Victorian ornithologist , general naturalist, antiquarian and writer. A right Lincolnshire polymath perhaps one would say! His most important publication I would suggest was ‘Birds of the Humber District’, 1872; a hardcopy of which I have the good fortune to own.
It has mixed blessings though, as you may well guess. The frontispiece is entitled ‘A Flamborough Trophy Fulmar Petrel, Pomathorine Skua and Hareld’ On the positive side, he reports seeing the Little Crake, the Dotterel, Pallas’ Sand Grouse, (at Little Cotes!), and the Nightjar; all within the district!
Thank goodness for the modern camera as, if evidence is needed, that will suffice. In Cordeaux’s day, slaughter was the rule as, if you couldn’t provide a co**se, the most convincing account of a sighting was dismissed out of hand. The most common word in the said book, I would guess, is ’shot’ :shock:
Regards,
Neville
Peter Mullins said,
April 6, 2012 @ 12:37 pm
As I understand it - but this is all vague memories of what has been said to me rather than evidenced remarks - the moated site is the ancient manorial site. The Barnardistan family (we have two family brasses in the church from c 1470 and c 1500) held this for a very long time. They were on the wrong side in the Civil War and were dispossesed by the Sutton family at that time - and, obviously, Sutton Estates continues to be a major stake holder in the village even today. It is remarkable that only two families have held the village estate manor for hundreds of years until today.
How many Barnardistans lived on the site, and what became of the house they occupied, isn’t something anyone has ever mentioned to me. I doubt Suttons ever lived there (compare the mid-18th century purchase of Bradley by the Nelthorpe family who then and now live in Scawby Hall) but I can’t even be certain of that. Equally, I have no idea whether the present 20th century Grange replaced an earlier house.
I also don’t know how the name of the Manor came to be attached to a house elsewhere in the village. Possibilities range from the self-aggrandisement of a single occupier to links with the Sutton’s authority (John Cordeaux, for example, was their Estate Manager).
I read Rod Collins’ website to find out this sort of thing, and I am frankly disappointed with his usual sleuths at this stage of the Comment column!
Peter Mullins said,
April 7, 2012 @ 9:07 pm
Nice find. My respect for the Collins’ sleuths is triumpantly restored. And that looks like a walnut tree right in the middle of the picture, along with a distant view of three more near the church along the line of the moat, to make everyone’s joy complete. There isn’t a hint of date available is there?
A quick look at modern satallite pictures on the internet confirms the configuration of house (this is certainly the south front of the present Grange) and church - the postcard picture was taken standing on a spot which is now in the extensive school field south of the church. There is today a major fence running right across the middle of this picture (which may well follow the same line as the small gate and fence as far as I can judge it).
By the way, the photo at the top of your article doesn’t show the Grange. It is taken from the church tower looking almost west, and the house in it is Church View Old People’s Home. The drive running across the middle of the photo is the Grange’s drive which approaches the Grange from the north, while the view in the postcard looks squarely at the Grange from the south.
I feel a Bank Holiday walk coming on to try to line up the trees on the postcard with what can be seen on the ground today. Isn’t it interesting how much less wooded the scene in this postcard is compared with today - something I observed strongly in a postcard probably of a similar vintage which had a view from Little Coates churchyard looking south.
(Oh, I’ve just looked at the Little Coates postcard and at this Great Coates postcard elsewhere on the net - they appear to be numbers 5 and 3 of the same set. It appears I’m a Collins’ sleuth myself - no wonder my respect for them has been restored!)
Vicky Hubbard said,
April 8, 2012 @ 8:14 am
My family were the lords of the manor going back a while. We have a window in the church ‘fowlers.’ My grandad would have been able to tell you about both sites but is no longer with us my auntie may be able to help though if you email me I’ll semd you a number
minnie said,
April 8, 2012 @ 10:56 am
:-) pleased the walnut trees got a mention
Barry de Graff said,
April 8, 2012 @ 1:11 pm
Really good to meet you in the churchyard this morning Rod. You gave me a whole new perspective on things that I have seen so (too?) often! The ironwork around the trees in the adjoining land I have never “seen” before but for all the world look exactly like that which would be seen on a grand estate.
Thank you again and I look forward to more of your discoveries.
[See tree photograph]
minnie said,
April 8, 2012 @ 8:20 pm
Rod , Many thanks for that picture - and sorry to keep harping on about walnut trees but thought I would drop this bit in as well. The walnut trees alongside the Aylesby road are (or were - because not sure if they are still there) equally spaced and in a straight line following the line of the road on the left hand side going towards Aylesby with just one tree on the opposite side of the road which would suggest to me that they were purposely planted and not self seeding.So my question is did the manor site extend to the last tree along the road? Please disregard if not relevant.
Rod said,
April 8, 2012 @ 8:42 pm
From Old Grimsby 1897 by Rev. George Shaw and re the Barnardiston family . . .
“The chief seat of this family was at Great Coates. It was an ancient moated hall, which, Oliver states, was thought by some persons to be referred to in the Domesday Survey ; where it is recorded ” that Bernard had these two villanes and as many bordars, and eight soke men, with one oxgan of land, two ploughs, and a hundred acres of meadow.”
Peter Mullins said,
April 9, 2012 @ 10:25 am
Random Bank Holiday thoughts.
Yes, there probably was an Anglo-Saxon church on the present church site (your Domesday reference supports this), but there is nothing of the present church building which dates earlier than 1200.
Yes, the moated site is likely to go back a long way as well, but my guess is this was much more to do with marking boundaries and draining land than it was to do with providing defence.
And, putting these two observations together, note how a significant proportion of Lincolnshire churches are next door to manor sites (Bradley is another example) which probably demonstrates that the origin of many parish churches would have been as manorial chapels a while before a parish system properly developed - and this connection and patronage continued so, in our case, look how magnificent and like a principal entrance the west doorway (i.e. the one facing the ancient manor site) is compared with the north and south doorways (i.e. those most accessible to villagers).
None of which assuages my thirst to see numbers 1, 2 and 4 (and possibly numbers 6 onwards) in the postcard series.
Barry de Graff said,
April 9, 2012 @ 11:12 am
Thanks for the randomness Peter! I met Rod in the churchyard yesterday prior to Easter morning worship and we had a good chat. I remembered you pointing out the grandeur of the west door once before and I mentioned this to Rod.
I was also fascinated to see what appeared to be earthworks pointed out by Rod in the land adjoining the churchyard, across the moat. And I really had never noticed before the ironwork around the trees on that piece of land, to keep deer away from the bark, Rod tells me.
Helen Ward said,
April 12, 2012 @ 7:40 pm
Rod,
I just wanted to comment on the lovely photograph of the Grange next to Great Coates church . I have never seen that picture before . I was lucky enough to grow up at the Grange . My parents, ( Ken and Leither Taylor) bought it from sutton estates in 1974. it had been stood empty for a few years. The tenants prior to 1970 had been the Riggall family who had lived in the house for about 150years. Gordon and Maisie Riggall.
They were tenant farmers . We believe the house dates back to 1770 . My father was responsible for the wonderful landscaping that there is today . The long brick wall was built with the bricks from old farm buildings .
The Grange has a wonderful history , with the moated site and covenant on the land .I believe there had once been a monastery built on the field between the house and aylesby park. My parents have more information about this as they had an interest when they lived there. My parents sold the house in 1998 .
[See map image]
Peter Mullins said,
April 15, 2012 @ 9:51 am
We are not done yet then!
(1) I’ll just e-mail Rod a picture of a large scale map dated 1900 for him to insert here. The postcard view would have been taken from the bottom of the picture.
The probable lost site of the ancient manor is over to the left where then and now the most substantial remains of moat exist on private land (and on the roadside of which the plaque I noticed is situated). There are substantial farm buildings behind the Grange (looking from the postcard position - they are actually just visible in the postacard). A hatching sign shows normally dry moat not only round part of the churchyard but all along the southern boundary of the Grange land and some along the northern side of the Avenue - these are all as clear on the ground today.
(2) Helen’s message in the week while I’ve been away opens things up a lot - I gave a copy of the postcard image to her mother at St Michael’s on Easter Day. Sutton Estates still owning the land right through to the 1970s makes sense, as does a farm house having been built long after the loss of the ancient manor house, and as does its then being let to tenant farmers.
The Riggalls (one of the surnames known to have a name of Lincolnshire origin as it happens, possibly in the Louth area) having been the tenants for that long is fascinating - there is a group of their family graves in the south-western corner of the churchyard (i.e. as close to the farmhouse as they could be); Ernest Riggall was the last burial there in 1967 aged 83, and I believe he was the father of the Gordon and Maisie who Helen remembers.
Peter Mullins said,
April 15, 2012 @ 5:11 pm
I think Helen is wrong to assume the Riggall tenancy of the Grange lasted as long as 150 years, but it did appear to last 90 or so. And the name by which the house was known at the earlier stages of the tenancy appears to be Sunnyside.
There are no Riggalls recorded in Great Coates in the 1871 and 1881 censuses.
In 1891 Jabez Riggall (aged 64, born Gayton-le-Wold) is Head of Household at Sunnyside, Grimsby Road, with wife Martha A Riggall (aged 40, born South Reston - we’ll come back to the fact that she is 24 years younger than her husband), and children Edward S Riggall (aged 23, born Gayton-le-Wold), Ernest P Riggall (aged 7, born Great Coates - so the family had moved to Great Coates by about 1884), and Emily M Riggall (aged 5, born Great Coates). I might be wrong to guess that Sunnyside is the Grange - but the next house listed is the Rectory.
This unusual family set up is explained by looking back for Jabez in the 1881 census. He is then at the Grange, Gayton-le-Wold (the name of the house is a coincidence, I assume) as a 54 year old widower in whose household also lives his housekeeper Martha A Jepson (aged 30, born South Reston). Jabez has a son Francis (17) with them, and appears to have had a town house in Upgate, Louth where no Head of Household is listed but a servant Sarah Jepson (a relative of Martha, I assume) is resident with children Edward S Riggall (13), Jabez H Riggall (11) and Margaret R Riggall (9).
Jabez and Martha are both listed in the index of the Caistor Registration District as being married in the first quarter of the following year (1882). Their son Ernest is born, as we’ve seen, in Great Coates in about 1884. Their eldest daughter Gertrude is born and dies in 1888 (this is what her gravestone says - the oldest Riggall gravestone in the churchyard). The family continues to be as expected at Sunnyside in the 1891 and 1901 censuses.
Jabez then dies in 1905 (according to a grant of Probate) and the 1911 census gives Ernest P Riggall (27) as the Head of a Great Coates Household with his widowed mother still living with him. This will be the Ernest Paul Riggall who dies in 1967 aged 83 and whose burial record give him as living at that time at the Grange (after a lifetime in the one house if Sunnyside is in fact the Grange).
The microfilm of the 1813-61 burial register in the Grimsby Library and Lincoln Archive might fill in some gaps. As might Ernest’s granddaughter who was living in Great Coates in 2009 when I had some contact with her.