The End of Tourism Podcast

28/10/2024

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas) ⛪

📢 "We can't sell what is ours as an experience for others without changing its character, without commodifying it. It's impossible to do.

So, that must be true and yet, at a certain moment, people feel that it has to be done. And so you have to live in both realities."

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight. 

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

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24/10/2024

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas) ⛪

📢 "Modernity is constantly overcoming Christianity and constantly forgetting that it's Christian...
..These are the ways in which the Incarnation is working itself out. But one daren't say that it's bound to work itself out that way. Ivan will go as far as to say that it's seemingly the will of God that it should work itself out that way...
..So, this idea that the Gospel will be preached to all nations as predicted at the end of the Gospels.

"Go therefore and preach to all nations," but it will not be preached in its explicit form. It will enter, as it were, through the back door. "

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight.

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

👂 Subscribe to all upcoming episodes on
Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all other major podcast platforms, and at CHRISCHRISTOU.SUBSTACK.COM where you'll find all of our episodes, essays, and other musings. 👂

23/10/2024

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas) ⛪

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight.

In 1966, at the age of twenty, Cayley joined the Canadian University Service Overseas (CUSO), one of the many volunteer organizations that sprang up in the 1960’s to promote international development. Two years later, back in Canada, he began to associate with a group of returned volunteers whose experiences had made them, like himself, increasingly quizzical about the idea of development. In 1968 in Chicago, he heard a lecture given by Ivan Illich and in 1970 he and others brought Illich to Toronto for a teach-in called “Crisis in Development.” This was the beginning of their long relationship: eighteen years later Cayley invited Illich to do a series of interviews for CBC Radio’s Ideas.

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

👂 Subscribe to all upcoming episodes on
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22/10/2024

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas) ⛪

📢 "What are you called to?
What can you do?
What is within your amplitude?
Do that thing!

Do not make yourself mad
with impossible charity.
A charity you don't feel, you can't feel.

Take care of what's at hand,
what you can take care of.
What calls you."

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight.

In 1966, at the age of twenty, Cayley joined the Canadian University Service Overseas (CUSO), one of the many volunteer organizations that sprang up in the 1960’s to promote international development. Two years later, back in Canada, he began to associate with a group of returned volunteers whose experiences had made them, like himself, increasingly quizzical about the idea of development. In 1968 in Chicago, he heard a lecture given by Ivan Illich and in 1970 he and others brought Illich to Toronto for a teach-in called “Crisis in Development.” This was the beginning of their long relationship: eighteen years later Cayley invited Illich to do a series of interviews for CBC Radio’s Ideas.

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

👂 Subscribe to all upcoming episodes on
Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all other major podcast platforms, and at CHRISCHRISTOU.SUBSTACK.COM where you'll find all of our episodes, essays, and other musings. 👂

21/10/2024

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas) ⛪

NEW EPISODE OUT NOW 🎯

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight.

In 1966, at the age of twenty, Cayley joined the Canadian University Service Overseas (CUSO), one of the many volunteer organizations that sprang up in the 1960’s to promote international development. Two years later, back in Canada, he began to associate with a group of returned volunteers whose experiences had made them, like himself, increasingly quizzical about the idea of development. In 1968 in Chicago, he heard a lecture given by Ivan Illich and in 1970 he and others brought Illich to Toronto for a teach-in called “Crisis in Development.” This was the beginning of their long relationship: eighteen years later Cayley invited Illich to do a series of interviews for CBC Radio’s Ideas.

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

👂 Subscribe to all upcoming episodes on
Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all other major podcast platforms, and at CHRISCHRISTOU.SUBSTACK.COM where you'll find all of our episodes, essays, and other musings. 👂

18/10/2024

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas) ⛪

NEW EPISODE OUT NOW 🎯

📢 "And so Ivan Illich says (and there’s probably slim New Testament warrant for this, but this was his story) that in the very earliest apostolic Church they were aware of this danger, that Christ must be shadowed by "Antichrist"...
..He dared to use it so as to say “the Antichrist is simply the instituted Christ.”

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight.

In 1966, at the age of twenty, Cayley joined the Canadian University Service Overseas (CUSO), one of the many volunteer organizations that sprang up in the 1960’s to promote international development. Two years later, back in Canada, he began to associate with a group of returned volunteers whose experiences had made them, like himself, increasingly quizzical about the idea of development. In 1968 in Chicago, he heard a lecture given by Ivan Illich and in 1970 he and others brought Illich to Toronto for a teach-in called “Crisis in Development.” This was the beginning of their long relationship: eighteen years later Cayley invited Illich to do a series of interviews for CBC Radio’s Ideas.

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

👂 Subscribe to all upcoming episodes on
Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all other major podcast platforms, and at
https://chrischristou.substack.com/p/s5-10-david-cayley-ivan-illich

17/10/2024

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas) ⛪

NEW EPISODE OUT NOW 🎯

📢 "I think a sense of exile and a sense of home are necessary to one another. You can't expunge exile from the tradition, but you also can't allow it to overcome the possibility of home."

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight.

In 1966, at the age of twenty, Cayley joined the Canadian University Service Overseas (CUSO), one of the many volunteer organizations that sprang up in the 1960’s to promote international development. Two years later, back in Canada, he began to associate with a group of returned volunteers whose experiences had made them, like himself, increasingly quizzical about the idea of development. In 1968 in Chicago, he heard a lecture given by Ivan Illich and in 1970 he and others brought Illich to Toronto for a teach-in called “Crisis in Development.” This was the beginning of their long relationship: eighteen years later Cayley invited Illich to do a series of interviews for CBC Radio’s Ideas.

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

👂 Subscribe to all upcoming episodes on
Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all other major podcast platforms, and at https://chrischristou.substack.com/p/s5-10-david-cayley-ivan-illich

16/10/2024

LAST EPISODE OF SEASON 5 DROPPING TOMORROW!

⛪ S5 E10 | The Samaritan and The Corruption w/ David Cayley (CBC Ideas)

📢 "I was a diligent man. I had prepared very carefully. I’d read everything Ivan Illich had written and at the very end of the interview, he says that the whole history of the West can be summed up in the phrase, corruptio optimi pessima (the corruption of the best is the worst)."

📝 On this episode of the pod, my guest is David Cayley, a Toronto-based Canadian writer and broadcaster. For more than thirty years (1981-2012) he made radio documentaries for CBC Radio One’s program Ideas, which premiered in 1965 under the title The Best Ideas You’ll Hear Tonight.

In 1966, at the age of twenty, Cayley joined the Canadian University Service Overseas (CUSO), one of the many volunteer organizations that sprang up in the 1960’s to promote international development. Two years later, back in Canada, he began to associate with a group of returned volunteers whose experiences had made them, like himself, increasingly quizzical about the idea of development. In 1968 in Chicago, he heard a lecture given by Ivan Illich and in 1970 he and others brought Illich to Toronto for a teach-in called “Crisis in Development.” This was the beginning of their long relationship: eighteen years later Cayley invited Illich to do a series of interviews for CBC Radio’s Ideas.

📖 David's most recent book, "Ivan Illich: An Intellectual Journey" is now available through Penn State University Press in both hardcover and paperback. A must read for anyone interested in Illich's work.

👂 Subscribe to all upcoming episodes on
Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all other major podcast platforms, and at CHRISCHRISTOU.SUBSTACK.COM where you'll find all of our episodes, essays, and other musings. 👂

27/09/2024

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

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26/09/2024

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

📢 "Another benefit I get as a disabled person: I can't use my time for a whole bunch of things that non-disabled folks can. So, I've got more time. I've got a different relationship to time and space, which means that I can sit and look at things with a differing relation to time and space...
..And people get surprised. They're like,

"You think about this all day?" I say, "No, I don't think about this. This is my life. This is how I live. This is my freedom to be like,

‘Okay, my restrictions. How do they actually open me to the world?’”

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

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24/09/2024

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

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23/09/2024

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

📢 "Ableism is the urge to measure against the vast field of disability and impairment and say...

"...We don't want that. It's the worst thing to be. So, we will strive to not be that."

As Fiona Kumari Campbell would say,

"It sets up a ranking, notification and prioritization of sentient life..."
..This is why we have an obsession with youth culture. Nobody wants to get old because,

"Oh, they'll probably stick you in a home."

Nobody wants to conceive of the idea that you can have a deep friendship with somebody that also involves wiping their arse!"

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

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19/09/2024

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

📢 "What if you don't know?"

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

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18/09/2024

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

📢 "Because ableism is set up to rank things like speed and mobility, having a disability demands thinking, “there are other ways to do this, there are other ways to exist. To notice the way our bodies move that are mostly ignored...”

"...Okay, I've gotten up in the morning. Next thing to do is have breakfast."

You can easily shift between those stages, but if it takes you 10-20 minutes to get out of bed and you have to do specific things, maybe exercises, the whole process thickens...
..It's an antithesis to escapism
because there are things you cannot escape...
..There are things you have to deal with and so you have to pay attention to them more. And that means the most ordinary, mundane thing can become, if you're willing to gently sense it, a lot richer."

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

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17/09/2024

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

NOW AVAILABLE! 👂

📢 "We have a real problem with the idea of knowing as a sense of capture. If I know you, I have this boundary of this shape of Chris that I can grasp. And when we say, "oh, I know a place" or "oh, I know a person" there's no concept of the ongoing relationality...
..You capture the image and then you keep it. And it's a whole construct of extractive knowledge that really comes down to the idea that humans are the ones who get to decide what a place is."

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

🎯 Subscribe to all EOT episodes on
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16/09/2024

SNEEK PEEK OF NEW EPISODE DROPPING TOMORROW!

🏔️ S5 #9 | We Will Dance with Stillness w/ Craig Slee 🏔️

📢 "The place influences me more than I influence it. There's a strange sense of belonging in which modernity says "I belong" or "it belongs to me" rather than...

“...the place has extended hospitality to me and allowed me to grow, live and work in a place for thirty years and never know it”

because we're not comfortable, as a culture, with the idea of saying, "I don't know this place."

📝 On this episode, my guest is Craig Slee, a disabled writer, consultant and theorist dealing with mythology, folklore, magic and culture, exploring life through the lens of landscape, disability and fugitive embodiments.

He has contributed essays and poetry focusing on the numinous and disability to various anthologies including The Dark Mountain Journal. Craig has also co-facilitated multiple seminar series at the Dresden Academy for Fine Arts, regarding ableism in the arts, as well as how ableism affects our relationship to space.

🎯 Subscribe to all EOT episodes on
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27/08/2024

A big shout out and thank you to the good people at RISE Travel Institute for considering the work of the podcast. It was great speaking with them. Make sure to check out the interview via the link and follow their work.

Chris Christou, host of the podcast “The End of Tourism,” talked with the RISE Traveler Podcast about the impact tourism can have on a place and how we can reimagine travel in the future. After seeing firsthand how tourism was negatively affecting his adopted hometown of Oaxaca, Mexico, Chris started his podcast to amplify local voices and educate travelers about social movements and discussions going on around the world.

In our conversation he told us about a practice he calls “radical hospitality,” where the emphasis is on locality rather than generic standardization. He encourages travelers to conduct thoughtful research and planning prior to departure so they can better understand their destination and how to have a positive interaction with the local community. It’s a step we all can take to be more sustainable, ethical, and socially mindful travelers.

To read more about our conversation, visit: https://rise-travel-institute.medium.com/the-end-of-tourism-and-the-need-for-radical-hospitality-09a136ca5315

The End of Tourism Podcast

27/08/2024

📽️ S5 #8 | Unpacking the Last Tourist w/ Tyson Sadler & Jesse Mann (The Last Tourist Film) 📽️





📢 "When it comes to destinations, we have to be really careful that a tourist tax doesn't become elitist because that happens a lot with regulation across the board. You've seen it with ci******es. You've seen it with airfare as well. You're paying a higher price for travel...
..If you place a strong tax on travel, it has to be calculated so that it's not elitist because if it’s suddenly only for those who can afford a really overpriced flight if we only have people traveling who can afford it...
..if it becomes so unaffordable I think that it will completely take away the core value of travel which is to unite people of different socioeconomic statuses and to connect people of different cultures."

📝 On this episode, my guests are Jesse Mann (editor-director) and Tyson Sadler (director), the brains behind the documentary The Last Tourist.

Jesse is both a picture editor and director whose professional work has spanned commercial, tv and film projects. The Last Tourist is her second feature film as editor.

Tyson Sadler is an explorer, traveller and award-winning filmmaker. He has directed video content and documentaries for The New York Times, Associated Press, and The Huffington Post

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🎯 Links to watch the full length film for free can be found in the "Homework" section of the episode page. 🎯