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Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Finale]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
Falsifying military service records is not particularly widespread, but it is a very sensitive issue to those who served and suffered because of their service. Be aware if you are approached by someone who says they are a veteran and are in need. There are many legitimate avenues of aid for veterans available in the Antelope Valley.
We don’t need to be “imposter hunters,” says panelist Gerry Rice, but we need to be diligent enough to find those who are falsifying and siphoning off money from those who are truly in need. There are many well-established organizations in the AV who assist veterans, and they are all connected and in communication, ready to serve those who have legitimate need.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob Alvis in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley. #aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 5]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this segment, our panel of veterans’ advocates speak to the issue of homeless individuals who claim a military service record. As Dennis Anderson notes, “Everybody remembers their unit, everybody remembers what their MOS was.” Those who are truly veterans will easily answer questions about their service, as opposed to those who are falsifying.
Vets4Veterans requires those requesting services to provide a copy of their DD214 in order to receive services. “We’d like to use the honor system, but some people aren’t honorable,” says panelist Gerry Rice.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob Alvis in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley. #aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk. [Part 4]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this segment, our guests discuss the function of various veteran fraternal organizations, and how they are sometimes affected by those who misrepresent their service records.
Congressional Medal of Honor recipient SSgt. Salvatore Giunta was quoted as saying, “I’m being awarded for what was the worst day of my life.” The valor and heroism of these Medal of Honor recipients, along with other members of their service units who did or did not survive, is what makes those who falsely claim the honor so dishonorable, and the phony Seals, the phony Green Berets and other imposters “contemptable,” says panelist Dennis Anderson. They should be called out, but not in a sensational manner. Call it as you see it and walk away.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob Alvis in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley. #aerotechnews #avveterranstalk
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the politics of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 3]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the politics of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In 2005, President George W. Bush set out to develop legislation to ensure that a criminal penalty would be imposed upon any individual found to be embellishing a service record. The legislation as originally written evolved into a First Amendment/ freedom of speech conflict, with the Supreme Court ruling that lying about a service record in and of itself is not a criminal act. However, if you were found to have materially gained from your falsehood, then criminal penalties could apply.
Our guests share stories of a specific cases in the Antelope Valley where individuals have claimed false honors, solicited funds from the public, promoted their businesses, and otherwise engaged in fraud associated with claims of meritorious military service. Point Man AV suffered a negative impact as a result of one of these cases some years ago, when an active member of the group was discovered to have lied about his service record after he passed away – it damaged Point Man’s reputation to have had this man as a member, once his falsehood was exposed.
This phenomenon in the veteran’s community has been experienced more in the aftermath of US military involvement in conflicts in the Middle East – not so much in the Vietnam era, as our guests observe tongue-in cheek that not many people were clamoring to claim experience in that unpopular war. However, a story is shared about a Stolen Valor case dating back to post-WWII – much more difficult to track in those days, before the advent of databases as we know them today. Anderson refers to this as something clinicians might term “imposter syndrome”, borne of profound ego-deficit and a search for acceptance by a peer group.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob Alvis in this discuss
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 2]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this segment, our guests agree that all sworn military personnel are called upon to put themselves in harm’s way and prepare to perform heroic acts, no matter their duty assignment, but there is a difference between that and actually claiming rank, deeds or honors beyond what you may have earned during your time of service. Dennis points out that there are medals and honors that are perhaps not bestowed until long after a soldier has separated from service – “Valor Unclaimed,” so to speak.
The military may also bestow honors or citations to all members of a service unit – some who may have served during a challenging portion of combat or mission, and some who may be relatively new to the unit – the citation may be awarded to all unit members, regardless of how long they’ve served.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis takes on the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 1]
Bob Alvis takes on the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley.
All three are active with Antelope Valley veteran service groups Vets4Veterans:
http://www.avvets4veterans.org/ – and Point Man Antelope Valley – http://www.avwall.org/point-man-antelope-valley/.
Point Man meets Tuesday evenings in Antelope Valley College board room, SSV 151. In this segment, our guests share info about their military service and how it has led them to become involved in various efforts to serve veterans in our community.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Finale]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this installment, Bob and Vance discuss Southern California area law enforcement procedures, and air power in particular. Air power is a very valuable resource and force extender in Los Angeles law enforcement, due to the size of the area.
When Vance was in the air unit in the 1980s, they had what were called “flare units,” which enhanced visibility by tracking body heat. At the time, LAPD did not have flare units on their helicopters, so the Sheriff’s unit would often be called out to assist. Vance served at Montrose Station during the 1965 Watts riots.
He was also a watch commander at Temple Station during the Sylmar earthquake period, heading up a command post at the old veteran’s hospital. Vance still maintains his pilot licenses for various types of aircraft and has his own plane. Looking back on his career, he believes that enlisting in the Navy was the best thing he ever did. It got him interested in education and taught him how to study, preparing him for advanced coursework later in his career.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [6 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this installment, Vance recalls his long and very diverse career with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. Vance moved through various assignments within the department, while also attending college.
He graduated from Cal State LA and obtained a master’s degree from USC. He moved up in rank in the department, from sergeant to lieutenant. He served as a detective, heading up the headquarters robbery detail for a number of years, and then moved to the headquarters homicide division, supervising six teams of investigators. He also served as captain of Wayside Honor Rancho.
Over the years, Vance obtained a variety of pilot’s licenses and ratings, and eventually began flying helicopters for the department. He headed up the Aero Bureau, which had 15 helicopters flying out of Long Beach, as well as units and aircraft in Malibu, Antelope Valley and Santa Clarita. He flew McDonnell Douglas 500Es and Sikorsky S58Ts for search and rescue.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Part 4 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
Vance shares more of his Navy experiences with us, as he worked his way up from crew member to plane captain in the 1950s. As a Navy Airedale during the Korean War, Vance was assigned as a crew member in support of the PBY amphibious aircraft. Bob and Vance talk more about the challenges of landing the PBY in rough weather. In addition to working the PBY, Vance also worked with the P2V Neptune, a patrol and anti-submarine aircraft.
After spending some time at Barbers Point, Vance was sent to Kwajalein Island, where he ran a maintenance crew for the Military Air Transport Service. At the end of the war, he was transferred to NAS Hutchinson, KS and went through plane captain school there on the PB4Y-2 and the P2V-2.
Training missions included flights as far south as Panama, where the aircraft could be called upon to taxi through the jungle for up to 10 miles after landing (a trip which included traffic lights and occasional close encounters with wildlife.) He talks about various engine configurations and features on the aircraft he flew, including turbo compound engines. He also learned the fine art of celestial navigation and worked with an early incarnation of LORAN navigation technology.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Part 3 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
This segment is a little gem for those who are interested in 1940s/ 1950s era Navy aircraft, as Vance shares more about the power plant school program for enlistees in the Korean War era. “At that time, there were only two airplanes that I recall were turbine engines in the Navy: the F9F Panther… and the F2H Banshee.”
He talks about studying turbine and reciprocating engines and taking a practical final exam that utilized a variant of the F4U, known as an FG – “That was a lot of fun for a 17-year-old kid.”
During Vance’s initial deployment to Barbers Point, HI, he was assigned as a crew member for the PBY amphibious aircraft. He gives us a detailed description of the aircraft and what it was like to fly aboard one. His crew flew search and rescue missions.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
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