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Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Finale]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
Falsifying military service records is not particularly widespread, but it is a very sensitive issue to those who served and suffered because of their service. Be aware if you are approached by someone who says they are a veteran and are in need. There are many legitimate avenues of aid for veterans available in the Antelope Valley.
We don’t need to be “imposter hunters,” says panelist Gerry Rice, but we need to be diligent enough to find those who are falsifying and siphoning off money from those who are truly in need. There are many well-established organizations in the AV who assist veterans, and they are all connected and in communication, ready to serve those who have legitimate need.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob Alvis in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley. #aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 5]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this segment, our panel of veterans’ advocates speak to the issue of homeless individuals who claim a military service record. As Dennis Anderson notes, “Everybody remembers their unit, everybody remembers what their MOS was.” Those who are truly veterans will easily answer questions about their service, as opposed to those who are falsifying.
Vets4Veterans requires those requesting services to provide a copy of their DD214 in order to receive services. “We’d like to use the honor system, but some people aren’t honorable,” says panelist Gerry Rice.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob Alvis in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley. #aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the politics of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 3]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the politics of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In 2005, President George W. Bush set out to develop legislation to ensure that a criminal penalty would be imposed upon any individual found to be embellishing a service record. The legislation as originally written evolved into a First Amendment/ freedom of speech conflict, with the Supreme Court ruling that lying about a service record in and of itself is not a criminal act. However, if you were found to have materially gained from your falsehood, then criminal penalties could apply.
Our guests share stories of a specific cases in the Antelope Valley where individuals have claimed false honors, solicited funds from the public, promoted their businesses, and otherwise engaged in fraud associated with claims of meritorious military service. Point Man AV suffered a negative impact as a result of one of these cases some years ago, when an active member of the group was discovered to have lied about his service record after he passed away – it damaged Point Man’s reputation to have had this man as a member, once his falsehood was exposed.
This phenomenon in the veteran’s community has been experienced more in the aftermath of US military involvement in conflicts in the Middle East – not so much in the Vietnam era, as our guests observe tongue-in cheek that not many people were clamoring to claim experience in that unpopular war. However, a story is shared about a Stolen Valor case dating back to post-WWII – much more difficult to track in those days, before the advent of databases as we know them today. Anderson refers to this as something clinicians might term “imposter syndrome”, borne of profound ego-deficit and a search for acceptance by a peer group.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob Alvis in this discuss
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 2]
Bob Alvis and guests discuss the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this segment, our guests agree that all sworn military personnel are called upon to put themselves in harm’s way and prepare to perform heroic acts, no matter their duty assignment, but there is a difference between that and actually claiming rank, deeds or honors beyond what you may have earned during your time of service. Dennis points out that there are medals and honors that are perhaps not bestowed until long after a soldier has separated from service – “Valor Unclaimed,” so to speak.
The military may also bestow honors or citations to all members of a service unit – some who may have served during a challenging portion of combat or mission, and some who may be relatively new to the unit – the citation may be awarded to all unit members, regardless of how long they’ve served.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis takes on the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 1]
Bob Alvis takes on the topic of Stolen Valor in this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 made it a federal crime for a person to lay claim to military service awards that they had not actually received. Joining Bob in this discussion are clinical therapist and veteran advocate Gerry Rice; clinical social worker and veteran advocate Dennis Anderson, and Mike Bertell, president of Point Man Antelope Valley.
All three are active with Antelope Valley veteran service groups Vets4Veterans:
http://www.avvets4veterans.org/ – and Point Man Antelope Valley – http://www.avwall.org/point-man-antelope-valley/.
Point Man meets Tuesday evenings in Antelope Valley College board room, SSV 151. In this segment, our guests share info about their military service and how it has led them to become involved in various efforts to serve veterans in our community.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Finale]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this installment, Bob and Vance discuss Southern California area law enforcement procedures, and air power in particular. Air power is a very valuable resource and force extender in Los Angeles law enforcement, due to the size of the area.
When Vance was in the air unit in the 1980s, they had what were called “flare units,” which enhanced visibility by tracking body heat. At the time, LAPD did not have flare units on their helicopters, so the Sheriff’s unit would often be called out to assist. Vance served at Montrose Station during the 1965 Watts riots.
He was also a watch commander at Temple Station during the Sylmar earthquake period, heading up a command post at the old veteran’s hospital. Vance still maintains his pilot licenses for various types of aircraft and has his own plane. Looking back on his career, he believes that enlisting in the Navy was the best thing he ever did. It got him interested in education and taught him how to study, preparing him for advanced coursework later in his career.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [6 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this installment, Vance recalls his long and very diverse career with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. Vance moved through various assignments within the department, while also attending college.
He graduated from Cal State LA and obtained a master’s degree from USC. He moved up in rank in the department, from sergeant to lieutenant. He served as a detective, heading up the headquarters robbery detail for a number of years, and then moved to the headquarters homicide division, supervising six teams of investigators. He also served as captain of Wayside Honor Rancho.
Over the years, Vance obtained a variety of pilot’s licenses and ratings, and eventually began flying helicopters for the department. He headed up the Aero Bureau, which had 15 helicopters flying out of Long Beach, as well as units and aircraft in Malibu, Antelope Valley and Santa Clarita. He flew McDonnell Douglas 500Es and Sikorsky S58Ts for search and rescue.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Part 4 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
Vance shares more of his Navy experiences with us, as he worked his way up from crew member to plane captain in the 1950s. As a Navy Airedale during the Korean War, Vance was assigned as a crew member in support of the PBY amphibious aircraft. Bob and Vance talk more about the challenges of landing the PBY in rough weather. In addition to working the PBY, Vance also worked with the P2V Neptune, a patrol and anti-submarine aircraft.
After spending some time at Barbers Point, Vance was sent to Kwajalein Island, where he ran a maintenance crew for the Military Air Transport Service. At the end of the war, he was transferred to NAS Hutchinson, KS and went through plane captain school there on the PB4Y-2 and the P2V-2.
Training missions included flights as far south as Panama, where the aircraft could be called upon to taxi through the jungle for up to 10 miles after landing (a trip which included traffic lights and occasional close encounters with wildlife.) He talks about various engine configurations and features on the aircraft he flew, including turbo compound engines. He also learned the fine art of celestial navigation and worked with an early incarnation of LORAN navigation technology.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Part 3 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
This segment is a little gem for those who are interested in 1940s/ 1950s era Navy aircraft, as Vance shares more about the power plant school program for enlistees in the Korean War era. “At that time, there were only two airplanes that I recall were turbine engines in the Navy: the F9F Panther… and the F2H Banshee.”
He talks about studying turbine and reciprocating engines and taking a practical final exam that utilized a variant of the F4U, known as an FG – “That was a lot of fun for a 17-year-old kid.”
During Vance’s initial deployment to Barbers Point, HI, he was assigned as a crew member for the PBY amphibious aircraft. He gives us a detailed description of the aircraft and what it was like to fly aboard one. His crew flew search and rescue missions.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Part 2 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
In this segment, Vance reminisces a bit about growing up in Glendale and using the Red Car transportation system to get around the greater L.A. area. He also talks more about the process of military enlistment during the Korean War era, which often included a series of tests and interviews to determine your aptitudes and choose your specialty within the service.
He spent three months in boot camp in San Diego at Camp Elliot, doing range work and learning marksmanship with the M-1. Following on with his training as a Navy Airedale, he then went to A&P school north of Memphis, TN.
He graduated near the top of his class and was given his choice of duty station, so, figuring that “only rich people go to Hawaii,” he took the opportunity to deploy to Naval Air Station Barbers Point, HI.
Vance Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk [Part 1 of 7]
Bob Alvis welcomes Vance Kirkpatrick to this installment of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
Kirkpatrick is a Korean War-era Navy veteran and served 34 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. He is a 42-year resident of the Antelope Valley. Born in Los Angeles in 1934, he was raised in Glendale and recalls life in Southern California during WWII, including civil defense measures, and “air raids” that were false alarms.
He joined the military just shy of his 17th birthday and completed high school on Kwajalein Island, via correspondence courses, during his time in the service. After separating from service, he attended Cal State LA and later obtained a master’s degree from USC. Kirkpatrick’s foster brother was in the Navy and interested him in submarines – but submarines were not much in demand during the Korean War era, so he instead trained as a Navy Airedale.
The training included heavy concentrations of math, physics, chemistry, aviation training, and from there branched out into various specialties.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Mary Pond to this edition of AV Veterans Talk [FINALE]
Bob Alvis welcomes Mary Pond to this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review. Mary is a veteran of WWII, having served in the US Navy.
In this segment, Mary recalls life in the post-war era. The Ponds moved to the Antelope Valley in 1952. Murray worked for the Palmdale Water District and they raised their family in the AV.
Mary Pond’s interview is one in a continuing series being conducted with selected residents of Holiday Retirement Rancho Village in Palmdale, CA. Many thanks to the management of this beautiful facility for allowing us to share these veteran’s stories.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Mary Pond to this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 4 of 5]
Bob Alvis welcomes Mary Pond to this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
Mary is a veteran of WWII, having served in the US Navy. In this segment, Mary shares memories of her husband Murray, who also served in the Navy during WWII. They met at a church event in Pasadena – Murray was already in the service in the V-12 training program at CalTech, and Mary had just enlisted and was getting ready to report for training. Murray worked in the Pacific theater as a PT boat tender.
Murray was an Antelope Valley native and is one of the “Boys of the Boulevard” – a group of WWII veterans (men and women) whose names were included on a monument erected on the corner of Cedar Street and Lancaster Boulevard. Murray and Mary corresponded during the war and were married for 67 years before his passing.
Mary Pond’s interview is one in a continuing series being conducted with selected residents of Holiday Retirement Rancho Village in Palmdale, CA. Many thanks to the management of this beautiful facility for allowing us to share these veteran’s stories.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
Bob Alvis welcomes Mary Pond to this edition of AV Veterans Talk [Part 3 of 5]
Bob Alvis welcomes Mary Pond to this edition of AV Veterans Talk, sponsored by Aerotech News and Review.
Mary is a veteran of WWII, having served in the US Navy. In this segment, Mary shares her experience of basic training at Hunter College, NY – quite a change for a young lady who up to that point had never been out of California. She enlisted in 1944 and served for 20 months, until the end of the war.
Mary’s interview is one in a continuing series being conducted with selected residents of Holiday Retirement Rancho Village in Palmdale, CA. Many thanks to the management of this beautiful facility for allowing us to share these veteran’s stories.
#aerotechnews #avveteranstalk
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