The Animal Turn

22/12/2023

In the latest blog post, Claudia give an overview of her conversation with Gary L. Francione: The Abolitionist Approach to Animal Rights. She charts the evolution and tensions they discussed about the concepts "animal welfare", "animal rights," and "abolition."

Access the full entry here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/post/blurry-lines-animal-welfare-animal-rights-and-abolition

18/12/2023

In this Quick Clip, Gary L. Francione: The Abolitionist Approach to Animal Rights tells Claudia how he started thinking about animals and abolition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBihRtSVc5A

This is an extract from a longer discussion about animals, politics, and abolition which can be accessed from The Animal Turn Podcast: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e5

You can also get access to "Reflections on Tom Regan and the Animal Rights Movement That Once Was" by Gary Francione here: https://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/bts/vol21/iss1/1/

In this Quick Clip, Gary Francione outlines how he started thinking about abolition. This is an extract from a longer discussion about animals, politics, and...

11/12/2023

Gary Francione is a is a published author and frequent guest on radio and television shows for his theory of animal rights, criticism of animal welfare law and the property status of nonhuman animals. He has degrees in philosophy and clerked for U.S. Justice Sandra Day O’Connor. He is the author of numerous books and articles on animal rights theory and animals and the law. His most recent book is the 2020 publication Why Veganism matters: The Moral Value of Animalsand other titles include The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation? (Columbia University Press, 2010) and Animals, Property, and the Law (Temple University Press, 1995). He is also the editor of Critical Perspectives on Animals: Theory, Culture, Science and Law, a series published by Columbia University Press. Gary has been teaching animal rights for more than 25 years and, together with Professor Ana Charlton, started and operated the Rutgers Animal Rights Law Clinic from 1990-2000, making Rutgers the first university in the U.S. to have animal rights law as part of the regular academic curriculum and to award students academic credit, not only for classroom work, but also for work on actual cases involving animal issues.

Learn more about Gary on the Rutgers University website: https://law.rutgers.edu/directory/view/francion

You can access the full interview with Gary Francione, including transcripts and chapter markers, here: https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/14062515-s6e5-abolition-with-gary-francione



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11/12/2023

Claudia talks to lawyer and philosopher Gary L. Francione: The Abolitionist Approach to Animal Rights about abolition. Gary provides an overview of how ideas related to animals have emerged and changed since the 19th century. This includes the emergence of animal welfare, animal rights, and abolitionism. Throughout the interview Gary asserts that animal welfare and animal rights will not achieve anything until there is a paradigm shift whereby animals are no longer understood as property, food, or things to use.

Find out more here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e5



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06/12/2023

In this blog post, Animal Turn Fellow Virginia Thomas writes about the ethical challenges that have emerged with conservation efforts related to the European Wildcat

Read more here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/post/animal-highlight-the-violent-conservation-of-the-european-wildcat

04/12/2023

Claudia Hirtenfelder writes a brief overview of her conversation with Dinesh Wadiwel about violence. She focuses on one of the key take-aways of the conversation - that it is politically imperative to call the violence directed at animals what it is, violence.

Access the full blog entry here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/post/the-political-imperative-to-call-violence-what-it-is

01/12/2023

In this Snippet, Claudia Hirtenfelder reflects on the violence faced by pet fish in the home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN9FG-1eCXA

This is an extract from a longer discussion in which Claudia interviews Dinesh Wadiwel about animals, politics, and violence which can be accessed from The Animal Turn Podcast: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e4

Claudia (Towne) Hirtenfelder is the founder, producer, and host of The Animal Turn. She has a PhD in Geography from Queen’s University, and her research is focused on the significance of the problematization of urban animals. She was awarded the AASA Award for Popular Communication and nominated for two International Women’s Podcasting Awards for her work with The Animal Turn. Contact Claudia via email ([email protected]).

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In this Snippet, Claudia Hirtenfelder reflects on the violence faced by pet fish in the home. This is an extract from a longer discussion about animals, poli...

28/11/2023

In this Snippet, Dinesh Wadiwel notes different kinds of violence one finds in factory farms.

In this Snippet, Dinesh Wadiwel notes different kinds of violence one finds in factory farms.This is an extract from a longer discussion about animals, polit...

28/11/2023

In this Quick Clip, Dinesh Wadiwel discusses why violence is an important concept in political theory and its significance when thinking about animals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCynchFSwqg

This is an extract from a longer discussion about animals, politics, and violence which can be accessed from The Animal Turn Podcast: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e4

Dinesh Joseph Wadiwel is an Associate Professor in human rights and socio-legal studies at University of Sydney. He is author of Animals and Capital (Edinburgh UP, 2023), The War against Animals (Brill, 2015) and is co-editor, with Matthew Chrulew of Foucault and Animals (Brill 2017). He is also co-editor of Animals in the Anthropocene: Critical Perspectives on Non-Human Futures (Sydney UP). He is a member of the Multispecies Justice research group at the University of Sydney, and Chair of the Australasian Animal Studies Association. In addition, Dinesh is a disability rights researcher, and has recently been part of a team of researchers who have produced two reports for the Australian Royal Commission into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of People with Disability.

Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke for the bed music, and Jeremy John for the logo. This podcast is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder.

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In this Quick Clip, Dinesh Wadiwel discusses why violence is an important concept in political theory and its significance when thinking about animals. This ...

27/11/2023

In this Quick Clip, Dinesh Wadiwel outlines the failure to view animals as victims of violence and why this is important in political theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnVPyDxAjqY.

This is an extract from a longer discussion about animals, politics, and violence which can be accessed from The Animal Turn Podcast: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e4

Dinesh Joseph Wadiwel is an Associate Professor in human rights and socio-legal studies at University of Sydney. He is author of Animals and Capital (Edinburgh UP, 2023), The War against Animals (Brill, 2015) and is co-editor, with Matthew Chrulew of Foucault and Animals (Brill 2017). He is also co-editor of Animals in the Anthropocene: Critical Perspectives on Non-Human Futures (Sydney UP). He is a member of the Multispecies Justice research group at the University of Sydney, and Chair of the Australasian Animal Studies Association. In addition, Dinesh is a disability rights researcher, and has recently been part of a team of researchers who have produced two reports for the Australian Royal Commission into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of People with Disability.

Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke for the bed music, and Jeremy John for the logo. This podcast is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder.

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In this Quick Clip, Dinesh Wadiwel outlines the failure to view animals as victims of violence. This is an extract from a longer discussion about animals, po...

23/11/2023

Our most recent guest on the show is Dinesh Joseph Wadiwel, an Associate Professor in human rights and socio-legal studies at University of Sydney.

Dinesh is author of "Animals and Capital" (Edinburgh UP, 2023), "The War against Animals" (Brill, 2015) and is co-editor, with Matthew Chrulew of "Foucault and Animals" (Brill 2017). He is also co-editor of "Animals in the Anthropocene: Critical Perspectives on Non-Human Futures" (Sydney UP).

In addition to being an author, Dinesh is a member of the Multispecies Justice research group at the University of Sydney, and Chair of the Australasian Animal Studies Association. And, as a disability rights researcher, he was recently been part of a team of researchers who produced two reports for the Australian Royal Commission into Violence, Abuse, Neglect and Exploitation of People with Disability.

On the show, Dinesh talks about violence and its significance for political theory and scholarship that pertains to animals. Find out more on our website: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e4

Learn more about Dinesh Wadiwel at the University of Sydney: https://www.sydney.edu.au/arts/about/our-people/academic-staff/dinesh-wadiwel.html

23/11/2023

In their brief editorial, Russell and Spannring bring light to a tendency of sometimes treating animals as novelties in research without taking seriously their material circumstances and life-worlds.

They ask an important question - what's in it for the animals in this so called "animal turn"?

They conclude by saying: "As Helena Pedersen (2019) has argued, much animal-focused educational research still fails to ‘stand with the animal herself’ and is not ‘a sincere act of solidarity with animals’ Celebrating naturacultural entanglements without taking seriously the implications of human supremacy and the power of the animal industrial complex impedes the fundamental transformation needed to support multispecies flourishing."

This is an important reminder for all of us who work with and think about animals in our scholarship.

Access the full editorial here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504622.2019.1687639

23/11/2023

In the latest episode of The Animal Turn Podcast, Claudia Hirtenfelder talks to Dinesh Wadiwel about "Violence" and its significance for political practice and theory.

With animals in mind, Dinesh outlines how violence can be intersubjective, structural, or epistemic. He delves into how violence and coercion are tools used to try and achieve domination and that there is a political imperative to call violence what it is.

Find out more here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e4

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22/11/2023

In this blog post, Animal Turn Fellow Virginia Thomas highlights the story of Pale Male, a red-tailed hawk who captured the imaginations of New Yorkers and raised interesting questions about animals' claims to urban property.

Read more here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/post/animal-highlight-recognising-pale-male

22/11/2023

This is a snapshot of a discussion with Steve Cooke on The Animal Turn Podcast in which he reads a quote from Immanuel Kant to make a point about how the property status of animals shapes the ways in which we can morally think about them.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FODC7bO8nMQ

22/11/2023

In this Quick Clip, Steve Cooke unpacks how imagination is tied to moral progress and is important for laying the foundation for animal rights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjueJxKRek&t=90s

This is an extract from a longer discussion about moral imagination and habitat rights in the 6th Season of The Animal Turn Podcast which is focused on "Animals and Politics."

Access the full episode here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e3

Steve Cooke is an Associate Professor of Political Theory at the University of Leicester. He works on justice and nonhuman animals, and in the ethics of protest and activism. His main interests are in what a just society for human and nonhuman animal might look like, and the ethics of different ways of achieving it. He recently published What are Animal Rights For?, published by Bristol University Press.

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In this Quick Clip, Steve Cooke unpacks how imagination is tied to moral progress and is important for laying the foundation for animal rights. This is an e...

18/11/2023

In this Quick Clip, Steve Cooke unpacks how imagination is central to our moral thinking and how the arts and humanities are essential to foster a more just imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcgLceHoL7c

This is an extract from a longer discussion about moral imagination and habitat rights in the 6th Season of The Animal Turn Podcast which is focused on "Animals and Politics."

Access the full episode here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e3

Steve Cooke is an Associate Professor of Political Theory at the University of Leicester. He works on justice and nonhuman animals, and in the ethics of protest and activism. His main interests are in what a just society for human and nonhuman animal might look like, and the ethics of different ways of achieving it. He recently published What are Animal Rights For?, published by Bristol University Press.

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In this Quick Clip, Steve Cooke unpacks how imagination is central to our moral thinking. This is an extract from a longer discussion about moral imagination...

16/11/2023

In this blog post, Animal Turn Fellow, Virginia Thomas highlights "Maguey Worms" and the ways in which they are used in the agave and tequila industries.

She touches on the fact that this 'worm' is actually a caterpillar and the numerous injustices they face which stretch across international borders.

Read more here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/post/animal-highlight-cosmopolitan-worms

14/11/2023

In the latest episode of The Animal Turn Podcast, Claudia Hirtenfelder talks to Steve Cooke about Moral Imagination and Habitat Rights.

Steve argues that imagination allows for conceptual development that makes moral progress & political change possible. He unpacks how the development of habitat rights for animals would be an important step in ensuring animal vital interests are protected.

Listen to the full episode here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/animals-and-politics/s6e3

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12/11/2023

In this blog post, Claudia Hirtenfelder gives an overview of her conversation with Angie Pepper on The Animal Turn Podcast.

It briefly unpacks what cosmopolitanism is and how animas have been excluded from consideration, giving insights into what was a much more detailed conversation on air.

https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/post/the-exclusion-of-animals-in-cosmopolitan-thought

10/11/2023

In the latest episode, Angie Pepper chose to read a quote from the work of Gary Francione (Gary L. Francione: The Abolitionist Approach to Animal Rights)

She reflects on the numerous conflicts that arise out of our relations with animals, including labour and companionship relations. Angie believes we need to stop and think about implications and root causes instead of simply responding to (and likely creating) problems.

Jump to this portion of the conversation: https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/13852024?t=3302

10/11/2023

In this Quick Clip, Angie Pepper discusses how she came to think about cosmopolitanism and her realization that cosmopolitan thought often fails to account for animals.

This is an extract from a longer discussion about cosmopolitanism in the 6th Season of The Animal Turn Podcast which is focused on "Animals and Politics."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybRu7l8PQw&t=217s

Access the Full Episode here:https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/13852024-s6e2-cosmopolitanism-with-angie-pepper

Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Christiaan Mentz for his editing work, Virginia Thomas for the Animal Highlight, Gordon Clarke for the bed music, and Jeremy John for the logo. This podcast is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder.

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In this Quick Clip, Angie Pepper discusses how she came to think about cosmopolitanism and her realization that cosmopolitan thought often fails to account f...

08/11/2023

In this Animal Highlight, Virginia Thomas focuses on domestic dogs and how they are (or could be) conceived of as citizens of human-animal societies.

https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/post/domesticated-dogs-as-citizens

Virginia's post is inspired by the interview with Will Kymlicka, the first episode of Season 6: https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/13822195?t=4122

Let us know your thoughts! What do you think about the relationship between dogs and citizenry?

06/11/2023

In the next episode of Season 6, Claudia Hirtenfelder talks to Angie Pepper about cosmopolitanism. Angie explains how despite cosmopolitans having an expansive view of justice, animals are rarely accounted for. They discuss the challenges of including animals in cosmopolitan thought and mull over what animals might be entitled to.

You can access the full episode here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/s6-animals-and-politics/s6e2%3A-cosmopolitanism-with-angie-pepper

Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (A.P.P.L.E) for sponsoring this podcast; Christiaan Mentz for his editing work, Virginia Thomas for the Animal Highlight, Gordon Clarke for the bed music, and Jeremy John for the logo. This podcast is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder.

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06/11/2023

Tonight is the International Women's Podcasting Awards and we've been shortlisted!

You can hear the nominated clips on the podcast here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/13815111

The Animal Turn was shortlisted in "Moment of Insight from a Role Model" for the conversation between Jeff Sebo and Claudia Hirtenfelder about the im/possibility of change in human-animal relations.

It was also shortlisted in "Changing the World One Moment at a Time" for the conversation with Yamini Narayanan in which she outlines how devastating sacralisation is for women, children, and animals - particularly cows in India.

You can learn more about the other shortlisted podcasts as well as how you can get tickets to attend the awards here: https://everybody-media.com/iwpa-shortlists-2023/ -

Learn more about the categories as well as the awesome people at , here: https://everybody-media.com/categories-2023/

Thank you for listening and your support!

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06/11/2023

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03/11/2023

This is a brief excerpt from a short piece written by Dan Vandersommers discussing the animal turn in history.

https://www.historians.org/research-and-publications/perspectives-on-history/november-2016/the-animal-turn-in-history

Also included are links to presentations made about animal history at the annual meeting of the American Historical Association in 2017.

31/10/2023

If you enjoy listening to the latest episode with Hope Ferdowsian, about "Phoenix Zones" why not like and share this post to be entered into a draw to win a copy of her book "Phoenix Zones: Where Strength is Born and Resilience Lives."

You can listen to the full episode here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/bonus-episodes/bonus%3A-phoenix-zones-with-hope-ferdowsian

And find out more about the Phoenix Zones Initiative here: https://www.phoenixzonesinitiative.org/

31/10/2023

New Blog Post - Animal Highlight: Domesticated Dogs as Citizens

In this animal highlight, Virginia Thomas muses about what it would mean for domesticated dogs to be thought of as citizens.

Animal Highlight: Domesticated Dogs as Citizens

30/10/2023

Taken from the most recent episode, in this Quick Clip, Will Kymlicka talks about how animals are increasingly considered in regulation as members of families and of workplaces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvAVx5VfIv8

Listen to the full episode here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/s6-animals-and-politics/s6e1%3A-politics-with-will-kymlicka

In this Quick Clip Will Kymlicka talks about how animals are increasingly considered in regulation as members of families and of workplaces.This is an extrac...

30/10/2023

In his interview on The Animal Turn Podcast Will Kymlicka uses this quote from Blue and Rock's paper about "Animal Publics" to highlight that when it comes to looking at the world through political concepts we tend to only think about humans.

Access the full episode where Claudia Hirtenfelder interviews Will Kymlicka about politics: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/s6-animals-and-politics/s6e1%3A-politics-with-will-kymlicka
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27/10/2023

In this Quick Clip Will Kymlicka delves into three different models for how to bring animals into politics: politics “on behalf of” animals, where humans represent animals; politics “by” animals, where wild animals exercise self-government; and politics “with” animals, where humans and animals do politics together and co-author decisions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5now1YJ74I

This is part of a broader conversation on The Animal Turn Podcast, hosted by Claudia Hirtenfelder, which you can access here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/s6-animals-and-politics/s6e1%3A-politics-with-will-kymlicka

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In this Quick Clip Will Kymlicka delves into three different models for how to bring animals into politics: politics “on behalf of” animals, where humans rep...

24/10/2023

Claudia launches Season 6 by talking to Will Kymlicka about politics. They discuss how animals remain largely sidelined in political philosophical thought, as compared to other areas of ethics and social theory. Will delves into three different models for how to bring animals into politics: politics “on behalf of” animals, where humans represent animals; politics “by” animals, where wild animals exercise self-government; and politics “with” animals, where humans and animals do politics together and co-author decisions. As examples of joint politics, they discuss recent efforts to share power with domesticated animals in farmed animal sanctuaries, in the family and in the workplace.

Listen to the full episode: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/s6-animals-and-politics/s6e1%3A-politics-with-will-kymlicka

Will Kymlicka is the Canada Research Chair in Political Philosophy in the Philosophy Department at Queen's University in Kingston, Canada, where he has taught since 1998. He is the co-author with Sue Donaldson of Zoopolis: A Political Theory of Animal Rights, published by Oxford University Press in 2011, and now translated into German, French, Spanish, Japanese, Turkish, Dutch, Chinese, Korean, and Polish. Zoopolis argues that animals belong at the heart of democratic political theory - defending rights of citizenship for domesticated animals and sovereignty rights for wild animals – and its ideas have helped launch the recent `political turn’ in animal ethics. Will and Sue have continued developing their model of a zoopolis, and its implications for animal advocacy, legal reform, and alliances with other social justice movements. Their recent work has appeared in Politics and Animals; The Philosophy and Politics of Animal Liberation; Journal of Animal Ethics; Canadian Perspectives on Animals and the Law; the Oxford Handbook of Animal Studies. Will co-directs the Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics research group at Queen’s University, including its postdoctoral fellowship program, and teaches courses in animals and political theory and in animals and the law.

24/10/2023

Cow with Ear Tag #1389 is a theoretically and empirically rich book that manages to capture the effects of commodification on the lives and bodies of cows. Kathryn Gillespie is a talented writer who captures the complexity and the cruelty of the dairy industry in the United States. She charts how males and females are differently positioned in the industry, how semen is extracted, calves discarded, and mother cows used. The effects of a life of commodification are visible on the body of the cow with ear tag #1389 whose story the book is named after.

Learn more about the book from
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo28907793.html

Kathryn Gillespie was a guest on The Animal Turn and discussed "intimate geography" in Season 2, which was focused on "Animals and Experience." It was a captivating discussion and can be accessed here: https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/s2e5